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Dog cloning is brutal. Companies have to go through many many attempts before they get a good result. Who knows how many attempts they had to try before they go

Dog cloning is brutal. Companies have to go through many many attempts before they get a good result. Who knows how many attempts they had to try before they got the result they wanted. They go through all of this and ultimately it is not the same dog. I wish she would have gone to the pound to save a life there. I hope cloning doesn't become a trend. http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/cloning/qa/questions_answers.html http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/cloning/qa/questions_ans... https://io9.gizmodo.com/5949612/why-cloning-is-a-terrible-way-to-bring-your-pet-dog-back-from-the-dead https://io9.gizmodo.com/5949612/why-cloning-is-a-terrible-wa...

natecavanaugh 9y ago
Thank you. I felt a weird mix of impressed and severely grossed out. I've thought about continuing my dog's different lines, but because of my (admittedly extremely superficial) understanding of epigenetics, I never considered it an option. But, I did wish to harvest their genetic database. My pup is a German Shepherd and what we believe to be Pit Bull [0] and is such a smart, sweet, sensitive and overall wonderful little boy that I have wanted to find some way to continue his great DNA soup. But then I realized I have 3 little brothers, some of whom I have no desire in exemplifying, so any sort of genetic continuity has zero guarantee to bringing me any of the happiness I've been blessed to receive. Instead, I've just learned to enjoy this one exceptional and unique little gift. [0] https://www.dropbox.com/s/xwh96pj7lgjwlad/Photo%20Feb%2021%2C%208%2032%2021%20PM.jpg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/xwh96pj7lgjwlad/Photo%20Feb%2021%2...
wccrawford 9y ago
She did. In addition to cloning her dog.
- WheelsAtLarge 9y ago
  Yes, but why do cloning when you can go to the pound and get as many dogs as you want. I understand feelings but death is part of life. We don't like it but there are things we just can't change.
  - meowface 9y ago
    >I understand feelings but death is part of life. We don't like it but there are things we just can't change. And cloning isn't even a way to escape death. One could argue that even if her dog could be perfectly physically cloned and even if its consciousness could be mirrored to the clone, it's still not the same being, and the original is still dead. And of course, what happened here is far away from perfect physical cloning (let alone consciousness copying).
    - toomuchtodo 9y ago
      Is it important to the dead creature? Or the rest of the universe that experiences that creature? Star Trek: death at every transport and your “clone” carries on. Worked out okay. A bit of a queasiness factor to get passed. Disclaimer: I had my dog’s genome sequenced (for free through a Harvard study) for cloning later in my life after he’s gone. Because why not. A lot can change in 50-100 years. Plan accordingly.
      - meowface 9y ago
        I guess I just don't see the point. Stick my consciousness into a computer so I or my pets can live past our deaths? Sign me up. But cloning? Who really cares? It'd be like if I were to rush around the globe looking for the person who resembles me the most and pay them money to bear a child just so I can have a son who looks as similar to me as possible... while still not remotely being "me".
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        toomuchtodo 9y ago
        It matters to the people who want a clone. As long as they have the dollars and it’s legal somewhere in the world, it’s going to happen.
oh_sigh 9y ago
She know's it is not the same dog. From the article: > You can clone the look of a dog, but you can’t clone the soul. Still, every time I look at their faces, I think of my Samantha...and smile. Why or how is cloning brutal? I assume that the cloning attempts generally fail before any kind of viable multicellular life?
- duncan-donuts 9y ago
  I'm not convinced it's a fair assumption that the attempts failed before viable multicellular life.
- JoeAltmaier 9y ago
  Some cloning is duplicating half the donor dna - which results in some nasty recessive gene problems? So its a 'clone' in the sense it had one parent (donor) but not in the 'identical to the parent' sense.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  A lot of them do fail early, but those that don't fail early (or even succeed) have problems. For instance, https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98360&page=1 https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98360&page=1
- WheelsAtLarge 9y ago
  Some dogs are born and have to be euthanized since they don't meet the results they want. It's a hope and see process. They hope it will be good but there's no way to know until you have a real dog in many cases.

natecavanaugh 9y ago

Thank you. I felt a weird mix of impressed and severely grossed out. I've thought about continuing my dog's different lines, but because of my (admittedly extremely superficial) understanding of epigenetics, I never considered it an option. But, I did wish to harvest their genetic database. My pup is a German Shepherd and what we believe to be Pit Bull [0] and is such a smart, sweet, sensitive and overall wonderful little boy that I have wanted to find some way to continue his great DNA soup. But then I realized I have 3 little brothers, some of whom I have no desire in exemplifying, so any sort of genetic continuity has zero guarantee to bringing me any of the happiness I've been blessed to receive. Instead, I've just learned to enjoy this one exceptional and unique little gift. [0] https://www.dropbox.com/s/xwh96pj7lgjwlad/Photo%20Feb%2021%2C%208%2032%2021%20PM.jpg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/xwh96pj7lgjwlad/Photo%20Feb%2021%2...

wccrawford 9y ago

She did. In addition to cloning her dog.

WheelsAtLarge 9y ago
Yes, but why do cloning when you can go to the pound and get as many dogs as you want. I understand feelings but death is part of life. We don't like it but there are things we just can't change.
- meowface 9y ago
  >I understand feelings but death is part of life. We don't like it but there are things we just can't change. And cloning isn't even a way to escape death. One could argue that even if her dog could be perfectly physically cloned and even if its consciousness could be mirrored to the clone, it's still not the same being, and the original is still dead. And of course, what happened here is far away from perfect physical cloning (let alone consciousness copying).
  - toomuchtodo 9y ago
    Is it important to the dead creature? Or the rest of the universe that experiences that creature? Star Trek: death at every transport and your “clone” carries on. Worked out okay. A bit of a queasiness factor to get passed. Disclaimer: I had my dog’s genome sequenced (for free through a Harvard study) for cloning later in my life after he’s gone. Because why not. A lot can change in 50-100 years. Plan accordingly.
    - meowface 9y ago
      I guess I just don't see the point. Stick my consciousness into a computer so I or my pets can live past our deaths? Sign me up. But cloning? Who really cares? It'd be like if I were to rush around the globe looking for the person who resembles me the most and pay them money to bear a child just so I can have a son who looks as similar to me as possible... while still not remotely being "me".
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      - toomuchtodo 9y ago
        It matters to the people who want a clone. As long as they have the dollars and it’s legal somewhere in the world, it’s going to happen.

oh_sigh 9y ago

She know's it is not the same dog. From the article: > You can clone the look of a dog, but you can’t clone the soul. Still, every time I look at their faces, I think of my Samantha...and smile. Why or how is cloning brutal? I assume that the cloning attempts generally fail before any kind of viable multicellular life?

duncan-donuts 9y ago
I'm not convinced it's a fair assumption that the attempts failed before viable multicellular life.
JoeAltmaier 9y ago
Some cloning is duplicating half the donor dna - which results in some nasty recessive gene problems? So its a 'clone' in the sense it had one parent (donor) but not in the 'identical to the parent' sense.
dragonwriter 9y ago
A lot of them do fail early, but those that don't fail early (or even succeed) have problems. For instance, https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98360&page=1 https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98360&page=1
WheelsAtLarge 9y ago
Some dogs are born and have to be euthanized since they don't meet the results they want. It's a hope and see process. They hope it will be good but there's no way to know until you have a real dog in many cases.