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I'm following this story with some interest because it may have an impact on my startup. There are conflicting reports on this[1]. RIM appears to be saying th

I'm following this story with some interest because it may have an impact on my startup. There are conflicting reports on this[1]. RIM appears to be saying they haven't given anything up, and there is some question whether they can give anything up, given BES is based on PKI and RIM doesn't have the keys. [1] http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech-now/entry/india-s-blackberry-farce-there http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech-now/entry/indi...

iuhjytgfbnjhmk 16y ago
It isn't needed for BES, if you have BES you have a corporate office that they can turn up at with a warrant (and or a battering ram) and take all the messages they want. This is about John Doe mailing John Smith and discussing things they don't want the government to know about.
- draebek 16y ago
  Well, if your corporate office is in e.g. India, at least. So this whole hullabaloo is just about whether or not India will be able to sniff messages going through RIM's servers? (I think I've seen this referred to as BIS?) Do they just want the ability to do this without having to go through procedures first with RIM; that is, without telling RIM that they're going to decrypt messages?
  - iuhjytgfbnjhmk 16y ago
    If your corporate office is outside India, then A) they probably don't care and B) if they suspect you of some sort of tax evasion/crime they can always serve your Indian office. The problem is that if they try and intercept John Doe's (or Patel's) email and have to serve a warrant in Canada it becomes an international incident. They just want the same cozy relationship that the US/UK/Canada etc have with each other where they quietly share all your communications with NSA/GCHQ/CISC anyway.
    - SoftwareMaven 16y ago
      My startup is working on making endpoint-to-endpoint security for email really easy. I'm wondering what that cozy relationship is going to look like for us (of course, that is a Lamborghini problem ;).

iuhjytgfbnjhmk 16y ago

It isn't needed for BES, if you have BES you have a corporate office that they can turn up at with a warrant (and or a battering ram) and take all the messages they want. This is about John Doe mailing John Smith and discussing things they don't want the government to know about.

draebek 16y ago
Well, if your corporate office is in e.g. India, at least. So this whole hullabaloo is just about whether or not India will be able to sniff messages going through RIM's servers? (I think I've seen this referred to as BIS?) Do they just want the ability to do this without having to go through procedures first with RIM; that is, without telling RIM that they're going to decrypt messages?
- iuhjytgfbnjhmk 16y ago
  If your corporate office is outside India, then A) they probably don't care and B) if they suspect you of some sort of tax evasion/crime they can always serve your Indian office. The problem is that if they try and intercept John Doe's (or Patel's) email and have to serve a warrant in Canada it becomes an international incident. They just want the same cozy relationship that the US/UK/Canada etc have with each other where they quietly share all your communications with NSA/GCHQ/CISC anyway.
  - SoftwareMaven 16y ago
    My startup is working on making endpoint-to-endpoint security for email really easy. I'm wondering what that cozy relationship is going to look like for us (of course, that is a Lamborghini problem ;).