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> It would be one thing to set quotas that favor a group, it's another to exclude any group at all. Both of those are illegal.

ComputerGuru 9y ago
Affirmative action is definitely not illegal, regardless of whether it should or shouldn’t be.
- ashelmire 9y ago
  Affirmative action literally means the opposite of what you think it means. It means that there will be efforts taken to ensure no discrimination in hiring on the basis of race, sex, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11246 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11246 etc
  - mental1896 9y ago
    How do you know what he thinks it means?
  - ComputerGuru 9y ago
    That’s a very selective and intellectually dishonest defense. That was the original law, then extended by Johnson and taken in a different direction altogether by future leadership. The current Department of Labor on affirmative action [0] clearly paints a very different picture that more accurately reflects the current meaning: For federal contractors and subcontractors, affirmative action must be taken by covered employers to recruit and advance qualified minorities, women, persons with disabilities, and covered veterans. And here’s the dictionary entry for “affirmative action:” efforts to make education and employment available to people who have traditionally been treated unfairly, for example because of their race or sex, by giving them some advantages over people who have traditionally been more powerful https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/affirmative-action?q=Affirmative+action https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/affir... [0]: https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/hiring/affirmativeact https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/hiring/affirmativeact
- hindsightRegret 9y ago
  Not for jobs, but for higher education it is in a few states already. So there is precedent.

ComputerGuru 9y ago

Affirmative action is definitely not illegal, regardless of whether it should or shouldn’t be.

ashelmire 9y ago
Affirmative action literally means the opposite of what you think it means. It means that there will be efforts taken to ensure no discrimination in hiring on the basis of race, sex, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11246 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11246 etc
- mental1896 9y ago
  How do you know what he thinks it means?
- ComputerGuru 9y ago
  That’s a very selective and intellectually dishonest defense. That was the original law, then extended by Johnson and taken in a different direction altogether by future leadership. The current Department of Labor on affirmative action [0] clearly paints a very different picture that more accurately reflects the current meaning: For federal contractors and subcontractors, affirmative action must be taken by covered employers to recruit and advance qualified minorities, women, persons with disabilities, and covered veterans. And here’s the dictionary entry for “affirmative action:” efforts to make education and employment available to people who have traditionally been treated unfairly, for example because of their race or sex, by giving them some advantages over people who have traditionally been more powerful https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/affirmative-action?q=Affirmative+action https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/affir... [0]: https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/hiring/affirmativeact https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/hiring/affirmativeact
hindsightRegret 9y ago
Not for jobs, but for higher education it is in a few states already. So there is precedent.