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/r/politics is just as much the other way. EDIT: Not sure if the downvotes are because you feel I support Trump (I'm a Brit, I have no allegiances) or somethin

by davzie 9y ago

/r/politics is just as much the other way. EDIT: Not sure if the downvotes are because you feel I support Trump (I'm a Brit, I have no allegiances) or something else. But you can't deny that /r/politics and the other subreddits like esist etc cause just as much drama. There's no nuanced debate anymore. Just pick a a team and fight to the death.

davesque 9y ago
I think there's no nuanced debate because a lot of the issues in play aren't nuanced.
- nugi 9y ago
  Ecactly the kind of divisionist thought refrenced by OP. Most people actually do want basically the same things. Polarizing them helps nobody.
  - zdfjkhiuj 9y ago
    It's the truth. If reality really is black and white, it's not oversimplifying to acknowledge that. Modern American politics are not complicated.
    - Cthulhu_ 9y ago
      They should be though. As in, it should be a lot more nuanced, gray areas, and yes there is a middle ground between ban all guns and arm all teachers.
      - davesque 9y ago
        But there's very little middle ground between "there were bad people on both sides" (i.e. What Trump said after Charlottesville, clearly implying that Nazis deserve some kind of consideration amidst a protest in which people's blood was on their hands) and the outage people rightfully feel in response to comments like that. Sorry but there is no debate to be had with people like that. None. Zero.
  - davesque 9y ago
    I think that's actually a straw man argument. For example, since when did pandering to literal Nazis (i.e. Charlottesville) become a nuanced topic? If r/politics has become more left-leaning in recent times, couldn't it simply be because of things like that? Humans do have tendency to form camps and take sides but sometimes one side really is way off base. I think this is one of those times. The effective leader of the Republican party (the Republican POTUS) continues to demonstrate on a daily basis his lack of basic character and empathy. This is not a nuanced issue and it's trivial to find examples of this. When one side regularly crosses major red lines, people shouldn't cry foul to both sides when the debate rapidly becomes polarized.
  - archagon 9y ago
    I disagree. A sizable portion of the population very clearly thinks of America as White Country, a perspective that is completely irreconcilable with the liberal melting pot approach.
zzzeek 9y ago
"the other way" would imply /r/politics is filled with liberal false propaganda planted by a foreign enemy. Feel free to show any such examples.
- insickness 9y ago
  https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7szc5h/announcement_shareblue_has_been_removed_from_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7szc5h/announceme... r/politics is just as tilted left and used by propaganda groups as r/donald is tilted right. If you think either side has a monopoly on rationality and pure intentions, you are deceiving yourself.
  - zzzeek 9y ago
    moving the goalposts. r/poltitics is certainly tilted left, but is not filled with false left-wing propaganda illegally created by a foreign enemy. ShareBlue is not a propaganda arm of a foreign enemy, it is a US-based partisan blog, and additionally the accusation here is that they commented without disclosure of their affiliation. that is nothing like the coordinated propaganda, false/stolen US identities, wire fraud, and other scam operations sponsored by the Russian government. There is no criminal indictment against ShareBlue.
    - insickness 9y ago
      These supposed foreign entities helped just as many people on the left, like Bernie and impersonated left-leaning entities like Black Lives Matter. And their involvement was minimial (100k) compared to what the major political parties were spending on the election. Hillary spent 1.5 billion dollars.
      - zzzeek 9y ago
        > like Bernie and impersonated left-leaning entities like Black Lives Matter. yes but not within anything generally viewable on /r/politics
taylorexpander 9y ago
Does r/politics insight hate and literal violence?
nabla9 9y ago
The error you made is that you imply that fake news is somehow related to lack of nuance, biased news, single viewpoint, downvoting news you you don't like or drama in general. Fake News is is deliberate misinformation and hoaxes published with the intent to mislead in order to damage an agency, entity, or person, and/or gain financially or politically. I hope you understand the difference. You didn't see the nuance.
jmull 9y ago
Since you asked, I'll tell you why I think you deserve some downvotes... First, it's a low-effort post. Second, it's off-base. The article is about Russian propaganda influencing and dividing Americans. But your comment implies it's about something else, like anti-Trump groups being just as bad as pro-Trump groups. Not to mention, after that low-effort, off-base comment, it's awfully cheeky to call for nuanced debate.

by davzie 9y ago

davesque 9y ago

I think there's no nuanced debate because a lot of the issues in play aren't nuanced.

nugi 9y ago
Ecactly the kind of divisionist thought refrenced by OP. Most people actually do want basically the same things. Polarizing them helps nobody.
- zdfjkhiuj 9y ago
  It's the truth. If reality really is black and white, it's not oversimplifying to acknowledge that. Modern American politics are not complicated.
  - Cthulhu_ 9y ago
    They should be though. As in, it should be a lot more nuanced, gray areas, and yes there is a middle ground between ban all guns and arm all teachers.
    - davesque 9y ago
      But there's very little middle ground between "there were bad people on both sides" (i.e. What Trump said after Charlottesville, clearly implying that Nazis deserve some kind of consideration amidst a protest in which people's blood was on their hands) and the outage people rightfully feel in response to comments like that. Sorry but there is no debate to be had with people like that. None. Zero.
- davesque 9y ago
  I think that's actually a straw man argument. For example, since when did pandering to literal Nazis (i.e. Charlottesville) become a nuanced topic? If r/politics has become more left-leaning in recent times, couldn't it simply be because of things like that? Humans do have tendency to form camps and take sides but sometimes one side really is way off base. I think this is one of those times. The effective leader of the Republican party (the Republican POTUS) continues to demonstrate on a daily basis his lack of basic character and empathy. This is not a nuanced issue and it's trivial to find examples of this. When one side regularly crosses major red lines, people shouldn't cry foul to both sides when the debate rapidly becomes polarized.
- archagon 9y ago
  I disagree. A sizable portion of the population very clearly thinks of America as White Country, a perspective that is completely irreconcilable with the liberal melting pot approach.

zzzeek 9y ago

"the other way" would imply /r/politics is filled with liberal false propaganda planted by a foreign enemy. Feel free to show any such examples.

insickness 9y ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7szc5h/announcement_shareblue_has_been_removed_from_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7szc5h/announceme... r/politics is just as tilted left and used by propaganda groups as r/donald is tilted right. If you think either side has a monopoly on rationality and pure intentions, you are deceiving yourself.
- zzzeek 9y ago
  moving the goalposts. r/poltitics is certainly tilted left, but is not filled with false left-wing propaganda illegally created by a foreign enemy. ShareBlue is not a propaganda arm of a foreign enemy, it is a US-based partisan blog, and additionally the accusation here is that they commented without disclosure of their affiliation. that is nothing like the coordinated propaganda, false/stolen US identities, wire fraud, and other scam operations sponsored by the Russian government. There is no criminal indictment against ShareBlue.
  - insickness 9y ago
    These supposed foreign entities helped just as many people on the left, like Bernie and impersonated left-leaning entities like Black Lives Matter. And their involvement was minimial (100k) compared to what the major political parties were spending on the election. Hillary spent 1.5 billion dollars.
    - zzzeek 9y ago
      > like Bernie and impersonated left-leaning entities like Black Lives Matter. yes but not within anything generally viewable on /r/politics

taylorexpander 9y ago

Does r/politics insight hate and literal violence?

nabla9 9y ago

The error you made is that you imply that fake news is somehow related to lack of nuance, biased news, single viewpoint, downvoting news you you don't like or drama in general. Fake News is is deliberate misinformation and hoaxes published with the intent to mislead in order to damage an agency, entity, or person, and/or gain financially or politically. I hope you understand the difference. You didn't see the nuance.

jmull 9y ago

Since you asked, I'll tell you why I think you deserve some downvotes... First, it's a low-effort post. Second, it's off-base. The article is about Russian propaganda influencing and dividing Americans. But your comment implies it's about something else, like anti-Trump groups being just as bad as pro-Trump groups. Not to mention, after that low-effort, off-base comment, it's awfully cheeky to call for nuanced debate.