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>But when the surrounding area is only zoned for low density housing, that constrains the number of such people who can exist and other people will have a two h

by zaarn 9y ago

>But when the surrounding area is only zoned for low density housing, that constrains the number of such people who can exist and other people will have a two hour walk to the train station. I haven't been to a place in my country where a train station, bus or tram stop weren't within a 10 or 15 minute walk distance. >You don't choose your hours, your boss does. If there are trains at 2200 and 2430 and your shift ends at 2230, you wait two hours. If there are trains arriving at 2200 and 2430 and your shift starts at 2400, you get there two hours early. Shift work is rare, though IIRC from my legal course, a boss in my country is required to accommodate your transportation needs when organizing work hours. >And why run a bus with two people on it (or zero people on it) when the alternative of not running the bus and having those people share an Uber is actually more efficient? Because buses have lower maintenance costs and those two people still need transportation. As mentioned, the cost of running the buses is lower or equal to Uber even before accounting for maintenance costs on the Uber. What do you do when no Uber is available for you? The bus will arrive at the bus stop at the time noted in the plan. Maybe 5 minutes late but it'll come. I find it hard to believe that an Uber driver would be available in my region at 3AM in the morning, driving me about 50km home. While being cheaper than the bus or train. >It solves it for both. If you create a lot of housing in the city at affordable prices then most people who work in the city move into it and get off the roads. Citation needed. Even people in the city will require transportation since very very few people are lucky enough to live within walking distance to work. >A good workaround is to build a new transit hub in the middle of a currently low density area just outside the inner city and rezone it for high density. We already have a transport hub in my community and we are far from being large. You don't need to rezone it for high density if everyone from the local community area can get there within 10 minutes via foot, bike, bus or car. >Running empty buses is never efficient, and skyscrapers are the city. Running empty buses is not efficient but as noted, more efficient than uber. If you only look at individual transport units (a single train, bus, tram) then of course you'll find lots of them operating below the efficiency of a uber. But if you look at the entire system it (probably) is more efficient than uber by an order of magnitude without any of your "fixes".

AnthonyMouse 9y ago
> I haven't been to a place in my country where a train station, bus or tram stop weren't within a 10 or 15 minute walk distance. Then you obviously don't live in the US, because this country is lousy with places like that. Because the density is low. > Shift work is rare, though IIRC from my legal course, a boss in my country is required to accommodate your transportation needs when organizing work hours. Shift work happens in every place that needs to operate 24 hours. Power plants, news outlets, emergency services, etc. And I'm not aware of any laws like that here. > Because buses have lower maintenance costs and those two people still need transportation. > As mentioned, the cost of running the buses is lower or equal to Uber even before accounting for maintenance costs on the Uber. How do they have lower maintenance costs? A bus carrying two people costs more than a sedan carrying two people. You can't just average the peak efficiency and off-peak inefficiency together and claim the average is high enough to justify the off-peak operation. It's the incremental cost that matters, not the average. > What do you do when no Uber is available for you? The bus will arrive at the bus stop at the time noted in the plan. Maybe 5 minutes late but it'll come. > I find it hard to believe that an Uber driver would be available in my region at 3AM in the morning, driving me about 50km home. While being cheaper than the bus or train. Have you actually tried it? Drivers work those hours because people are consistently needing transportation home from bars. Obviously you'll have less luck if you're standing in a corn field in the middle of nowhere, but there are no buses there either. > Even people in the city will require transportation since very very few people are lucky enough to live within walking distance to work. But people who actually live in the city will live walking distance from mass transit. And if you get the density high enough then you can efficiently operate mass transit 24 hours. For example, NYC has subway lines that operate every 20 minutes even in the middle of the night, because the density is high enough for the ridership to justify it. But you can't afford to do that in the suburbs. > If you only look at individual transport units (a single train, bus, tram) then of course you'll find lots of them operating below the efficiency of a uber. Then why keep operating those instead of having those people use Uber? Nobody is saying to stop operating the trains and buses that are actually full.

by zaarn 9y ago

AnthonyMouse 9y ago

> I haven't been to a place in my country where a train station, bus or tram stop weren't within a 10 or 15 minute walk distance. Then you obviously don't live in the US, because this country is lousy with places like that. Because the density is low. > Shift work is rare, though IIRC from my legal course, a boss in my country is required to accommodate your transportation needs when organizing work hours. Shift work happens in every place that needs to operate 24 hours. Power plants, news outlets, emergency services, etc. And I'm not aware of any laws like that here. > Because buses have lower maintenance costs and those two people still need transportation. > As mentioned, the cost of running the buses is lower or equal to Uber even before accounting for maintenance costs on the Uber. How do they have lower maintenance costs? A bus carrying two people costs more than a sedan carrying two people. You can't just average the peak efficiency and off-peak inefficiency together and claim the average is high enough to justify the off-peak operation. It's the incremental cost that matters, not the average. > What do you do when no Uber is available for you? The bus will arrive at the bus stop at the time noted in the plan. Maybe 5 minutes late but it'll come. > I find it hard to believe that an Uber driver would be available in my region at 3AM in the morning, driving me about 50km home. While being cheaper than the bus or train. Have you actually tried it? Drivers work those hours because people are consistently needing transportation home from bars. Obviously you'll have less luck if you're standing in a corn field in the middle of nowhere, but there are no buses there either. > Even people in the city will require transportation since very very few people are lucky enough to live within walking distance to work. But people who actually live in the city will live walking distance from mass transit. And if you get the density high enough then you can efficiently operate mass transit 24 hours. For example, NYC has subway lines that operate every 20 minutes even in the middle of the night, because the density is high enough for the ridership to justify it. But you can't afford to do that in the suburbs. > If you only look at individual transport units (a single train, bus, tram) then of course you'll find lots of them operating below the efficiency of a uber. Then why keep operating those instead of having those people use Uber? Nobody is saying to stop operating the trains and buses that are actually full.