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You shouldn’t complain about being down voted. To answer your question the issue of discrimination is solved by not discriminating. If women and others are bei
by danieltillett 9y ago
You shouldn’t complain about being down voted.
To answer your question the issue of discrimination is solved by not discriminating. If women and others are being discriminated against then stop doing this, rather than just start discriminating against other people.
- fatbird 9y agoYou can't stop discrimination without addressing the long-term systemic effects of pervasive discrimination.
- danieltillett 9y agoThis sounds awfully like we had to destroy the village to save the village. No one expects it will be easy to end discrimination, but it is hard to see how it will be solved by piling on more discrimination.
- fatbird 9y agoThe phrase "we had to burn the village in order to save it" was uttered by the officer who perpetrated the My Lai massacre, and it was an unironic paraphrasing of "better dead than red". Nothing about addressing the past and ongoing effects of long-term discrimination requires destroying anything. If you think affirmative action is reverse discrimination, then fine: there are other ways to address systemic disparities. Taking your boot off someone's throat doesn't make them your equal when they're still on the ground.
- alphabettsy 9y agoIt seems this is an issue many don’t want to talk about. Is the solution to ignore systemic discrimination that led us to where we are today? That only leaves one group happy.
- spicymaki 9y agoI know this is not popular, but honestly how do you stop discrimination against women and others? It is easy to say “stop doing this,” but does that happen?
- Const-me 9y agoBlind hiring _might_ work: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/magazine/is-blind-hiring-the-best-hiring.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/magazine/is-blind-hiring-... To ignore gender this should be combined with gender-neutral voice processing for phone interviews, but it’s doable and not that hard.
- spicymaki 9y agoWhat if the candidate went to Wellesley or Howard? What happens if the person went to university in Africa or Latin America? What if you puts SWE or NSBE on the resume, or obtained a merit-based UNCF scholarship and mentioned that as an achievement? The blind hiring system would fall flat pretty quickly. What happens after the person is hired?
- throwaway005 9y agoThe much maligned tech interview is, ironically, the best tool for blind interviews. It is essentially an audition of technical skill. Blind auditions are used effectively to combat gender bias in a different field, https://www.theguardian.com/women-in-leadership/2013/oct/14/blind-auditions-orchestras-gender-bias https://www.theguardian.com/women-in-leadership/2013/oct/14/...
- friedButter 9y agoThese guys tried it out, I'll leave the interpretation of the conclusion to the reader http://blog.interviewing.io/we-built-voice-modulation-to-mask-gender-in-technical-interviews-heres-what-happened/ http://blog.interviewing.io/we-built-voice-modulation-to-mas... (yes, its inconclusive, but) > for technical ability, it appeared that men who were modulated to sound like women did a bit better than unmodulated men and that women who were modulated to sound like men did a bit worse than unmodulated women. Though these trends weren’t statistically significant, I am mentioning them because they were unexpected and definitely something to watch for as we collect more data.
- rdiddly 9y agoThe problem is, there is no way for an organization to tell whether it's succeeding at this, besides looking at the hiring outcomes.
- danieltillett 9y agoThere are actually lots of ways. The most obvious way is to secondary screen using a external party all rejected candidates to make sure that the best candidates was selected. This will also provide you with political cover when you don’t just hire people on the basis of their skin color.
- Mithaldu 9y agoHow do you know that external party isn't also biased?