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Is it a systemic bias that men choose to study CS and Engineering majors and make up 80% of graduates and the talent pool? Should we discriminate against them

Is it a systemic bias that men choose to study CS and Engineering majors and make up 80% of graduates and the talent pool? Should we discriminate against them for this reason?

vkou 9y ago
It's a systemic bias when you send out two resumes, one with a traditionally african-american name, and one with a traditionally white american name... And have 50% more callbacks for the one with the white name.
- overeater 9y ago
  Not sure if this will change your mind, but the latest research with a twice as large sample size does indicate any difference anymore: http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-bias-hiring-0504-biz-20160503-story.html http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-bias-hiring-0504-b...
- netheril96 9y ago
  And the solution is to fight fire with fire? When Asian students apply to universities, they will have better chances if they change their names and activities in their personal statements to be less typical Asian, because of this affirmative action.
- paul7986 9y ago
  In govt IT(mid Atlantic region) as a Caucasian I am always a minority amongst my awesome Indian and a Asian (few) male & female peers. I often wonder why many Caucasian complain about foreigners taking jobs yet those complainers never bothered to learn an in-demand skill. Thus those nice high paying jobs are going to those who are qualified no matter their race, creed or sex.
- Caveman_Coder 9y ago
  Its also systemic bias when you won't even interview men... I have first hand experience with this. As a normal working-class white guy with poor parents and no connections (I worked my way through school), I had a hard time even landing an interview at first. As a social experiment, I changed my name/sex from Joe/male to Joanna/female, kept everything else on my resume the same, and reapplied to all the jobs that didn't want me previously. Every single company that rejected Joe was overjoyed when Joanna applied. In every case I got a email within the week wanting to meet and interview me. It was kind of eye-opening. I didn't follow through as "Joanna" because the sexist hiring policies were enough to put me off working at these companies entirely. I eventually found an employer that wasn't sexist and have been happy with them so far...
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Is it a systemic bias that men choose to study CS and Engineering majors and make up 80% of graduates and the talent pool? Should we discriminate against them for this reason?

vkou 9y ago

It's a systemic bias when you send out two resumes, one with a traditionally african-american name, and one with a traditionally white american name... And have 50% more callbacks for the one with the white name.

overeater 9y ago
Not sure if this will change your mind, but the latest research with a twice as large sample size does indicate any difference anymore: http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-bias-hiring-0504-biz-20160503-story.html http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-bias-hiring-0504-b...
netheril96 9y ago
And the solution is to fight fire with fire? When Asian students apply to universities, they will have better chances if they change their names and activities in their personal statements to be less typical Asian, because of this affirmative action.
paul7986 9y ago
In govt IT(mid Atlantic region) as a Caucasian I am always a minority amongst my awesome Indian and a Asian (few) male & female peers. I often wonder why many Caucasian complain about foreigners taking jobs yet those complainers never bothered to learn an in-demand skill. Thus those nice high paying jobs are going to those who are qualified no matter their race, creed or sex.
Caveman_Coder 9y ago
Its also systemic bias when you won't even interview men... I have first hand experience with this. As a normal working-class white guy with poor parents and no connections (I worked my way through school), I had a hard time even landing an interview at first. As a social experiment, I changed my name/sex from Joe/male to Joanna/female, kept everything else on my resume the same, and reapplied to all the jobs that didn't want me previously. Every single company that rejected Joe was overjoyed when Joanna applied. In every case I got a email within the week wanting to meet and interview me. It was kind of eye-opening. I didn't follow through as "Joanna" because the sexist hiring policies were enough to put me off working at these companies entirely. I eventually found an employer that wasn't sexist and have been happy with them so far...

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