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I'm not sure that's an equivalent relation. I wasn't able to read the article, but NBA representation has a lot to do with skill and performance.

by drwl 9y ago

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EGreg 9y ago
So what? You seem to be assuming that Black people simply have more skill and performance than others. You do this in Basketball but not in other areas. Currently, hiring males for programming jobs is due to skill and performance, because far more men chose to go through this type of education than women. Huge numbers of men and women don't enjoy straining to grapple with abstract concepts for long stretches of time, sitting hunched over a keyboard, and so on. But, more men do than women, at the moment. So does that mean things are just fine the way they are, as your comment suggests about being Black and skill and performance? Why not encourage, for instance, more Chinese basketball players to get scholarships, and increase their skill and performance? Why settle for how things are, which currently is not very diverse as anyone can plainly see? China's basketball team has a lot of great Chinese players.
- ghostcluster 9y ago
  So when the NBA hires for job qualifications like height, skill and performance, that's OK. But for tech positions they should actively discriminate against skilled applicants because maybe somebody else ought to do it? The NBA is actively recruiting/training for elite talent in China: http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/12/news/companies/china-nba-basketball-academies-players/index.html http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/12/news/companies/china-nba-bas...
  - EGreg 9y ago
    I think you TOTALLY misunderstood my point. Which was: how come drwl accepts the status quo with NBA and not with programmers? Why do they simply assume that some qualities are more prevalent with Blacks but not with males? I am not taking a position in my comment one way or the other, just pointing out a potential double standard so the reader can make their own conclusions by reconciling them :) I assume you are clearly on the side of "things are the way they are because that's how biology works". So here is another one, far more politically charged. Are you prepared to endorse this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United... "There is general agreement in the literature that blacks are more likely to commit violent crimes than are whites in the United States. Whether this is the case for less serious crimes is less clear." This statement is considered racist. However the equivalent statement for men and women is not considered sexist: men commit far more violent crime than women. Therefore, should these things be used in profiling people suspected of violent crime? You can go on and on about these things.
    - drwl 9y ago
      Correct me if I'm not understanding your argument. What I'm reading is that your argument is there is a "diversity" problem in the NBA and that comes from discrimination against non-blacks. And that this is the same discrimination mentioned in the article?
      - EGreg 9y ago
        My argument is not that diversity should be increased nor the opposite. It is that there is a double standard.
megaman22 9y ago
There's a lot of individual choice involved in the NBA as well. Elite athletes will be elite athletes, but where they choose to devote their efforts early on has ripple effects long afterwards. It's something of a trope that the best US soccer players are in the NFL or NBA, rather than playing futbol like their European athletic counterparts. Fun fact: professional basketball was once dominated by inner-city Jews https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/11/25/when-jews-dominated-professional-basketball/ https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/11/25/when-jews-d...
tenpies 9y ago
Right, the "path" to be an NBA player starts in high school. You ideally get scouted by a college with a top team and after four years you get an offer to play for an NBA team. This is very similar to how we do admissions for most college education, except now imagine the basketball scout saying "You crushed it out there, but sorry, we have enough %race players this year".
tux1968 9y ago
EVERY job position should be based on skill and performance.

I'm not sure that's an equivalent relation. I wasn't able to read the article, but NBA representation has a lot to do with skill and performance.

by drwl 9y ago

I'm not sure that's an equivalent relation. I wasn't able to read the article, but NBA representation has a lot to do with skill and performance.

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EGreg 9y ago

So what? You seem to be assuming that Black people simply have more skill and performance than others. You do this in Basketball but not in other areas. Currently, hiring males for programming jobs is due to skill and performance, because far more men chose to go through this type of education than women. Huge numbers of men and women don't enjoy straining to grapple with abstract concepts for long stretches of time, sitting hunched over a keyboard, and so on. But, more men do than women, at the moment. So does that mean things are just fine the way they are, as your comment suggests about being Black and skill and performance? Why not encourage, for instance, more Chinese basketball players to get scholarships, and increase their skill and performance? Why settle for how things are, which currently is not very diverse as anyone can plainly see? China's basketball team has a lot of great Chinese players.

ghostcluster 9y ago
So when the NBA hires for job qualifications like height, skill and performance, that's OK. But for tech positions they should actively discriminate against skilled applicants because maybe somebody else ought to do it? The NBA is actively recruiting/training for elite talent in China: http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/12/news/companies/china-nba-basketball-academies-players/index.html http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/12/news/companies/china-nba-bas...
- EGreg 9y ago
  I think you TOTALLY misunderstood my point. Which was: how come drwl accepts the status quo with NBA and not with programmers? Why do they simply assume that some qualities are more prevalent with Blacks but not with males? I am not taking a position in my comment one way or the other, just pointing out a potential double standard so the reader can make their own conclusions by reconciling them :) I assume you are clearly on the side of "things are the way they are because that's how biology works". So here is another one, far more politically charged. Are you prepared to endorse this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United... "There is general agreement in the literature that blacks are more likely to commit violent crimes than are whites in the United States. Whether this is the case for less serious crimes is less clear." This statement is considered racist. However the equivalent statement for men and women is not considered sexist: men commit far more violent crime than women. Therefore, should these things be used in profiling people suspected of violent crime? You can go on and on about these things.
  - drwl 9y ago
    Correct me if I'm not understanding your argument. What I'm reading is that your argument is there is a "diversity" problem in the NBA and that comes from discrimination against non-blacks. And that this is the same discrimination mentioned in the article?
    - EGreg 9y ago
      My argument is not that diversity should be increased nor the opposite. It is that there is a double standard.

megaman22 9y ago

There's a lot of individual choice involved in the NBA as well. Elite athletes will be elite athletes, but where they choose to devote their efforts early on has ripple effects long afterwards. It's something of a trope that the best US soccer players are in the NFL or NBA, rather than playing futbol like their European athletic counterparts. Fun fact: professional basketball was once dominated by inner-city Jews https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/11/25/when-jews-dominated-professional-basketball/ https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/11/25/when-jews-d...

tenpies 9y ago

Right, the "path" to be an NBA player starts in high school. You ideally get scouted by a college with a top team and after four years you get an offer to play for an NBA team. This is very similar to how we do admissions for most college education, except now imagine the basketball scout saying "You crushed it out there, but sorry, we have enough %race players this year".

tux1968 9y ago

EVERY job position should be based on skill and performance.