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The name is just too perfect: https://www.amazon.com/Phoenix-Project-DevOps-Helping-Business-ebook/dp/B00AZRBLHO https://www.amazon.com/Phoenix-Project-DevOps-H

The name is just too perfect: https://www.amazon.com/Phoenix-Project-DevOps-Helping-Business-ebook/dp/B00AZRBLHO https://www.amazon.com/Phoenix-Project-DevOps-Helping-Busine... To that point, I’m wondering if all IT initiatives codenamed “Phoenix” are doomed from the start, given that the implication is “let’s burn down everything we have that works, and rise anew from the ashes”...

projectileboy 9y ago
Hah! I make this joke all the time with friends. I have literally been on three different failed projects named ‘Phoenix’
- fleitz 9y ago
  I'm hesitant to use the phoenix framework for exactly this reason.
- temp638642 9y ago
  Elaborate?
  - purerandomness 9y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_(mythology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_(mythology)
- da02 9y ago
  Why did they fail?
  - projectileboy 9y ago
    Well, one possibility is that I am the common factor in all of my bad relationships. But another possibility is that projects tend to get named 'Phoenix' for a reason, and that just as in real life, it's pretty hard to successfully be reborn from a pile of ashes.
    - da02 9y ago
      What are some projects that succeeded and/or impressed you?
ItsJason 9y ago
Not just all IT initiatives - I just heard today that the project that would eventually create the Ford Pinto was also named Phoenix. (from Stuff You Should Know podcast)
- rhizome 9y ago
  The Pinto was a good car, though, even with the one design flaw that was actually the result of both best practices for the time and a lack of regulation. Except for that, the Pinto was a landmark subcompact car.
alxlaz 9y ago
> To that point, I’m wondering if all IT initiatives codenamed “Phoenix” are doomed from the start Firefox seems to be doing pretty well :-).
- da02 9y ago
  There is also the Phoenix web framework for Elixir. However, it's supposed to help people recover and deal with failure :) It's an Erlang thing.
- dozzie 9y ago
  Yeah, but only after two name changes.
mr_toad 9y ago
I can literally do that with my DigitalOcean droplet. I can destroy the instance and run a bash script to provision a new, identical machine in around 3 minutes. It’s a lot of hard work to get every little detail working automatically. Probably 10x as much as just manually setting things up from scratch. But in the long-term it can pay off.
poulsbohemian 9y ago
It wasn't a bad book, but if you've read anything by Eli Goldratt on the theory of constraints (The Goal, for example) then Phoenix Project just looks like a watered down, IT-focused, and nearly plagiarized variation.

projectileboy 9y ago

Hah! I make this joke all the time with friends. I have literally been on three different failed projects named ‘Phoenix’

fleitz 9y ago
I'm hesitant to use the phoenix framework for exactly this reason.
temp638642 9y ago
Elaborate?
- purerandomness 9y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_(mythology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_(mythology)
da02 9y ago
Why did they fail?
- projectileboy 9y ago
  Well, one possibility is that I am the common factor in all of my bad relationships. But another possibility is that projects tend to get named 'Phoenix' for a reason, and that just as in real life, it's pretty hard to successfully be reborn from a pile of ashes.
  - da02 9y ago
    What are some projects that succeeded and/or impressed you?

ItsJason 9y ago

Not just all IT initiatives - I just heard today that the project that would eventually create the Ford Pinto was also named Phoenix. (from Stuff You Should Know podcast)

rhizome 9y ago
The Pinto was a good car, though, even with the one design flaw that was actually the result of both best practices for the time and a lack of regulation. Except for that, the Pinto was a landmark subcompact car.

alxlaz 9y ago

> To that point, I’m wondering if all IT initiatives codenamed “Phoenix” are doomed from the start Firefox seems to be doing pretty well :-).

da02 9y ago
There is also the Phoenix web framework for Elixir. However, it's supposed to help people recover and deal with failure :) It's an Erlang thing.
dozzie 9y ago
Yeah, but only after two name changes.

mr_toad 9y ago

I can literally do that with my DigitalOcean droplet. I can destroy the instance and run a bash script to provision a new, identical machine in around 3 minutes. It’s a lot of hard work to get every little detail working automatically. Probably 10x as much as just manually setting things up from scratch. But in the long-term it can pay off.

poulsbohemian 9y ago

It wasn't a bad book, but if you've read anything by Eli Goldratt on the theory of constraints (The Goal, for example) then Phoenix Project just looks like a watered down, IT-focused, and nearly plagiarized variation.