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> I have experienced it first hand with my 4S which became horribly laggy and unusable after all of the iOS updates, and I had no way of downgrading iOS and re

> I have experienced it first hand with my 4S which became horribly laggy and unusable after all of the iOS updates, and I had no way of downgrading iOS and returning it to the factory state. This is a big issue. It's one thing for a device to get slower over time as programs become more and more demanding. It's another to have a device that's running great and then suddenly slows to a crawl the moment after an irreversible OS update (what happened to my MacBook after Snow Leopard).

ksk 9y ago
It would be understandable if the user was presented a clear choice of extra features that required more hardware, versus less features and snappier performance. Apple uses dark patterns to get you to update and then blocks the downgrade path. __That__ is the part that's infuriating.
- tmalsburg2 9y ago
  I installed the last iOS update on my iPhone 4s because Apple explicitly wrote that older devices would become faster. The reverse was the case. This was when I decided to never again buy an Apple device.
- qplex 9y ago
  If you truly want control of your device you simply cannot buy anything that runs iOS. When Apple decides that the support for your iOS device ends, you have no choice but to upgrade, or risk running outdated vulnerable software. The laptops, desktops are a different story since you can breathe new life to them by installing a free operating system.
  - ahmedalsudani 9y ago
    You can’t put a laptop in my pocket and carry it around though. The only realistic options for a smartphone are android and iOS. Between the two (and I have used both), I much prefer iOS. Not for features or smoothness, mind you. I actually felt like my Android experience was better. With google, however, I always felt like they were trying to sell me something and harvest my data through android. Not the case with Apple.
    - qplex 9y ago
      Of course you can run Android without the Google services eg. with LineageOS.
- brokenmachine 9y ago
  I think that should be illegal. If a consumer buys something, there should always be a way to return it to the state it was at the time of purchase.

ksk 9y ago

It would be understandable if the user was presented a clear choice of extra features that required more hardware, versus less features and snappier performance. Apple uses dark patterns to get you to update and then blocks the downgrade path. __That__ is the part that's infuriating.

tmalsburg2 9y ago
I installed the last iOS update on my iPhone 4s because Apple explicitly wrote that older devices would become faster. The reverse was the case. This was when I decided to never again buy an Apple device.
qplex 9y ago
If you truly want control of your device you simply cannot buy anything that runs iOS. When Apple decides that the support for your iOS device ends, you have no choice but to upgrade, or risk running outdated vulnerable software. The laptops, desktops are a different story since you can breathe new life to them by installing a free operating system.
- ahmedalsudani 9y ago
  You can’t put a laptop in my pocket and carry it around though. The only realistic options for a smartphone are android and iOS. Between the two (and I have used both), I much prefer iOS. Not for features or smoothness, mind you. I actually felt like my Android experience was better. With google, however, I always felt like they were trying to sell me something and harvest my data through android. Not the case with Apple.
  - qplex 9y ago
    Of course you can run Android without the Google services eg. with LineageOS.
brokenmachine 9y ago
I think that should be illegal. If a consumer buys something, there should always be a way to return it to the state it was at the time of purchase.