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I think that's just called the service industry. I realize the jobs you mentioned aren't glamorous lines of work to a lot of people but I think your attitude is

I think that's just called the service industry. I realize the jobs you mentioned aren't glamorous lines of work to a lot of people but I think your attitude is unnecessarily degrading to the workers. There are plenty of servers, drivers, etc. that take a great deal of pride in their work even if it's just a stepping stone or secondary income source for them.

gt_ 9y ago
Any evidence for this being “degrading”? Anecdotal evidence? It sounds farcicle, propagandistic, and at the very most an extreme rarity. Although sure, plenty of people in any line of work will take pride in what they do, you are shaming someone for showing consideration for the plight of workers well understood to be the front line victims of market precarity. Sounds like an ignorant stance without presenting some evidence. EDIT: HN would not let me reply to my replies so I clarified my question here.
- refurb 9y ago
  Evidence service workers take pride in their work? You need a source for that?
- malvosenior 9y ago
  > Even anecdotal evidence? I take Uber a lot. I often ask the driver if they enjoy Ubering and I've yet to hear a negative response. In fact most love it. The main reason they site is being able to make their own hours and earn when they want. I don't think most drivers are even aware that there's a group of upper/middle class people who think they're suffering and being degraded.
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  - lotsofpulp 9y ago
    You can't depend on an impartial answer when the driver knows the person asking will be asked to rate and tip the driver after the trip. If I was the driver, I'd be all rainbows and sunshine no matter what, just to make the passenger feel good in the hopes that it translates into higher ratings and tips.
    - malvosenior 9y ago
      Their answers have been consistent since before Uber added tipping. Besides, I'm having a natural conversation with a normal human, at no point did I feel they were lying to me. It also makes sense that someone driving for uber voluntarily would actually appreciate the value proposition of the service (for a driver): make money when you want. Which is exactly what they say they like.
- EggsOnToast 9y ago
  That's a very long string of words to ask "Can you present evidence that calling people who aren't serfs serfs is degrading?" I don't know what sort of evidence you're looking for here.

gt_ 9y ago

Any evidence for this being “degrading”? Anecdotal evidence? It sounds farcicle, propagandistic, and at the very most an extreme rarity. Although sure, plenty of people in any line of work will take pride in what they do, you are shaming someone for showing consideration for the plight of workers well understood to be the front line victims of market precarity. Sounds like an ignorant stance without presenting some evidence. EDIT: HN would not let me reply to my replies so I clarified my question here.

refurb 9y ago
Evidence service workers take pride in their work? You need a source for that?
malvosenior 9y ago
> Even anecdotal evidence? I take Uber a lot. I often ask the driver if they enjoy Ubering and I've yet to hear a negative response. In fact most love it. The main reason they site is being able to make their own hours and earn when they want. I don't think most drivers are even aware that there's a group of upper/middle class people who think they're suffering and being degraded.
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- lotsofpulp 9y ago
  You can't depend on an impartial answer when the driver knows the person asking will be asked to rate and tip the driver after the trip. If I was the driver, I'd be all rainbows and sunshine no matter what, just to make the passenger feel good in the hopes that it translates into higher ratings and tips.
  - malvosenior 9y ago
    Their answers have been consistent since before Uber added tipping. Besides, I'm having a natural conversation with a normal human, at no point did I feel they were lying to me. It also makes sense that someone driving for uber voluntarily would actually appreciate the value proposition of the service (for a driver): make money when you want. Which is exactly what they say they like.
EggsOnToast 9y ago
That's a very long string of words to ask "Can you present evidence that calling people who aren't serfs serfs is degrading?" I don't know what sort of evidence you're looking for here.