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> My main disconnect with the hiring process these days is the near-ubiquitous use of code challenges that just keep getting more and more time-consuming. They

> My main disconnect with the hiring process these days is the near-ubiquitous use of code challenges that just keep getting more and more time-consuming. They are still pretty rare as far as I have seen, at least any that are especially long. > Code challenges are sucking all the liquidity out of the job market... How exactly do they do that? > One challenge asked me to do everything in Vanilla Javascript. As if wanting a candidate with a reasonable level of knowledge on that is outlandish? > Code challenges feel incredibly lazy to me. I'd love to know a better way to weed out the people who can talk the talk but can't walk the walk. And every time I ask, the best response is something absurdly vague like, "I'd just talk to them and know, because I'd know what to ask them." > Your organization sucks at hiring, so let's throw all the obstacles we can at applicants and see who makes it through. As if testing for basic programming proficiency is 'all the obstacles'?

walshemj 9y ago
Re sucking liquidity - any good candidate will go "fuck no" and your left with candidates "in need of some improvement" or those who rote learned through a CS degree.
- tytytytytytytyt 9y ago
  Is that really bad for the programmers in this case?
vinceguidry 9y ago
If you can't trust the five years of industry experience I have and my ability to convey that experience in an interview, then I don't need to deal with your company. I'm sorry if you guys are so bad at ascertaining a candidate's rough skill level from a conversation. I'm not. One code challenge is fine. But if they're all asking for them then applying for a job while I still have a job then I'm spending 8+ hours of my free time a week just doing code challenges. I'd have to really hate my life before that becomes something I want to do. I don't know what segment of the job market you're in, but in mine it's getting a lot more common. They're treating mid-level and senior candidates like recent grads.

walshemj 9y ago

Re sucking liquidity - any good candidate will go "fuck no" and your left with candidates "in need of some improvement" or those who rote learned through a CS degree.

tytytytytytytyt 9y ago
Is that really bad for the programmers in this case?

vinceguidry 9y ago

If you can't trust the five years of industry experience I have and my ability to convey that experience in an interview, then I don't need to deal with your company. I'm sorry if you guys are so bad at ascertaining a candidate's rough skill level from a conversation. I'm not. One code challenge is fine. But if they're all asking for them then applying for a job while I still have a job then I'm spending 8+ hours of my free time a week just doing code challenges. I'd have to really hate my life before that becomes something I want to do. I don't know what segment of the job market you're in, but in mine it's getting a lot more common. They're treating mid-level and senior candidates like recent grads.