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I'm a phd student currently on the job market for more teaching-oriented (but sometimes still tenure-track) positions. Outside of R1, the article actually unde

I'm a phd student currently on the job market for more teaching-oriented (but sometimes still tenure-track) positions. Outside of R1, the article actually understates the shortage. It's definitely a seller's market, and many of the buyers are viscerally panicked about failed searches. Look at CS enrollments over time. This is a unique point in history. The phds graduating now went through undergrad at a historic lowpoint in enrollment (the 200x post-dotcom-all-the-jobs-are-going-to-India era) and are graduating into the single largest upswing in undergraduate enrollment in the history of the field.

pnathan 9y ago
Curious. How's the market look for MS holders with experience in industry? I've always had the yen to teach (enjoyed it in graduate school!), but the pay tends to be 1/2 what I make in industry, with similar benefits.
- throwawayjobsea 9y ago
  > How's the market look for MS holders with experience in industry? If you like teaching and can deal with the cut in pay, you should seriously consider applying to lower-ranked colleges/universities that have teaching positions. You will get an offer, and you will make those places so happy! > but the pay tends to be 1/2 what I make in industry, with similar benefits. It's both far worse than that and far better than that, depending on the place. 1. Half is pretty good for lower-tier places. My prototypical offer was around 29% of my best industry offer in terms of raw amounts. Maybe close to half after counting up benefits and doing the CoL adjustment? 2. My best academic offer was about 50% of my best industry offer in terms of what typically goes into comp calculations in industry (salary/stock). But after cost of living adjustment and counting the value of the tuition (divided over a 30 year career and multiplied by the number of children I'd like), the academic position was within 20%. Which is pretty good. So make sure you're counting everything (including tuition remission) and accounting for cost of living (college towns are often dirt cheap compared to hub cities). 3. Oh, and make sure you know what "9 month salary" means. At some places you really can disappear all summer. At other places you need to work all summer even if not teaching; the salary is only nominally for 9 months.
  - pnathan 9y ago
    > Half is pretty good for lower-tier places I was politely fudging. :) But, thank you for your kind remarks. I'll definitely feed them into the career contemplation hopper.

pnathan 9y ago

Curious. How's the market look for MS holders with experience in industry? I've always had the yen to teach (enjoyed it in graduate school!), but the pay tends to be 1/2 what I make in industry, with similar benefits.

throwawayjobsea 9y ago
> How's the market look for MS holders with experience in industry? If you like teaching and can deal with the cut in pay, you should seriously consider applying to lower-ranked colleges/universities that have teaching positions. You will get an offer, and you will make those places so happy! > but the pay tends to be 1/2 what I make in industry, with similar benefits. It's both far worse than that and far better than that, depending on the place. 1. Half is pretty good for lower-tier places. My prototypical offer was around 29% of my best industry offer in terms of raw amounts. Maybe close to half after counting up benefits and doing the CoL adjustment? 2. My best academic offer was about 50% of my best industry offer in terms of what typically goes into comp calculations in industry (salary/stock). But after cost of living adjustment and counting the value of the tuition (divided over a 30 year career and multiplied by the number of children I'd like), the academic position was within 20%. Which is pretty good. So make sure you're counting everything (including tuition remission) and accounting for cost of living (college towns are often dirt cheap compared to hub cities). 3. Oh, and make sure you know what "9 month salary" means. At some places you really can disappear all summer. At other places you need to work all summer even if not teaching; the salary is only nominally for 9 months.
- pnathan 9y ago
  > Half is pretty good for lower-tier places I was politely fudging. :) But, thank you for your kind remarks. I'll definitely feed them into the career contemplation hopper.