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We use something like this in my org, and Google has "kudos", but I've found that the problem is their usage is highly variable even within a medium-sized or (w

We use something like this in my org, and Google has "kudos", but I've found that the problem is their usage is highly variable even within a medium-sized or (we're roughly 1,000.) On some teams, the average employee will have hundreds of these kudos, whereas on others, the average might be 1 or 2. This was highlighted to me recently when someone in Slack noted that one person had ~50X the kudos of everyone else and asked how that happens... and they said "just go hang around in team X's channel, they'll give you a 'taco' any time your answer a query." Given Google's promo system (where a committee looks at candidates from very different teams) this then means they'd have to try to normalize the data for it to be useful.

r00fus 9y ago
Could this be combined with a group-level kudos/tacos metric? Even if it is - don't be that manager of the group with the least group kudos/tacos?
- tomkarlo 9y ago
  Some roles (ops, sales) are just naturally a lot more inclined to use these kinds of systems. I generalize like that after having watched similar systems at 3 companies; you hardly ever see an engineer give a "taco" for a code review, but someone in another team might give one simply for someone knowing which room a meeting is happening in. It's hard to normalize the culture. I think peer bonuses (which usually require manager approval on one or both sides) tend to be a bit more normalized across teams.
blaketaco 9y ago
Great discussion here! Do you two think a tool like kudos or tacos should be used for evaluating performance? Is the goal of using something like this to help people show more gratitude or is it for performance feedback? And can those two things coexist or do they conflict with each other? Would love to hear your thoughts.
- tomkarlo 9y ago
  At least at Google I don't think that was their original intent - the idea was to provide a way for employees to express their gratitude away from the perf context. I don't think they should be used for perf as they are not intended to be objective feedback.

r00fus 9y ago

Could this be combined with a group-level kudos/tacos metric? Even if it is - don't be that manager of the group with the least group kudos/tacos?

tomkarlo 9y ago
Some roles (ops, sales) are just naturally a lot more inclined to use these kinds of systems. I generalize like that after having watched similar systems at 3 companies; you hardly ever see an engineer give a "taco" for a code review, but someone in another team might give one simply for someone knowing which room a meeting is happening in. It's hard to normalize the culture. I think peer bonuses (which usually require manager approval on one or both sides) tend to be a bit more normalized across teams.

blaketaco 9y ago

Great discussion here! Do you two think a tool like kudos or tacos should be used for evaluating performance? Is the goal of using something like this to help people show more gratitude or is it for performance feedback? And can those two things coexist or do they conflict with each other? Would love to hear your thoughts.

tomkarlo 9y ago
At least at Google I don't think that was their original intent - the idea was to provide a way for employees to express their gratitude away from the perf context. I don't think they should be used for perf as they are not intended to be objective feedback.