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But with the (official) dictatorship in China, is this concentration camps reincarnated? Nazi reincarnated? Xitler is a real thing?

neilsimp1 9y ago
For now, I would say no, only because nobody is getting exterminated. For now.
- castle-bravo 9y ago
  This is a hypothetical question unrelated to China's activities in Xinjiang: If I take an ethnic group off their land, put them in camps, force them to perform hard labour and prevent them from raising children, but do not murder any of them, could that be considered extermination?
  - cromwellian 9y ago
    Culture extermination. They’re basically trying to erase the ethnic Muslim culture but not necessarily the people. In that respect it’s not much different than what the US OR Australians did to indigenous peoples.
    - anthonyleecook 9y ago
      Are you seriously whataboutism events that happened few hundred years ago???? Wow. And you work for google. God help us all
      - cromwellian 9y ago
        Hell no and you are interpreting what I said in a crazy fashion. I said they’re trying to exterminate their culture, likening it to similar attempts in the past is not whataboutism. If there was a holocaust happening where people were being put into camps and gassed and I said “this is just like what the Nazis did”, it would not be whataboutism. If I compared it to the Japanese internment of WW2, it would not be “whataboutism” I don’t think you really understand what “whataboutism” is. Whataboutism seeks to divert attention and justify what is being done by the fact that other wrongs are being done. My comment is not trying to diminish in anyway what they’re doing, but explain what it is they’re trying to achieve by analogy to policies like Stolen Generations or forced assimilations. I’m not trying to say “we’re just as bad so don’t criticize them”, I’m saying “this is horrible, here’s why, look up the history of how this turned out for others” sheesh
  - Slansitartop 9y ago
    That could be considered "genocide," under many definitions of that term. For instance: > By "genocide" we mean the destruction of an ethnic group…. Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups…. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_definitions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_definitions
- tome 9y ago
  FYI, Nazi concentration camps and Nazi extermination camps were different things.

neilsimp1 9y ago

For now, I would say no, only because nobody is getting exterminated. For now.

castle-bravo 9y ago
This is a hypothetical question unrelated to China's activities in Xinjiang: If I take an ethnic group off their land, put them in camps, force them to perform hard labour and prevent them from raising children, but do not murder any of them, could that be considered extermination?
- cromwellian 9y ago
  Culture extermination. They’re basically trying to erase the ethnic Muslim culture but not necessarily the people. In that respect it’s not much different than what the US OR Australians did to indigenous peoples.
  - anthonyleecook 9y ago
    Are you seriously whataboutism events that happened few hundred years ago???? Wow. And you work for google. God help us all
    - cromwellian 9y ago
      Hell no and you are interpreting what I said in a crazy fashion. I said they’re trying to exterminate their culture, likening it to similar attempts in the past is not whataboutism. If there was a holocaust happening where people were being put into camps and gassed and I said “this is just like what the Nazis did”, it would not be whataboutism. If I compared it to the Japanese internment of WW2, it would not be “whataboutism” I don’t think you really understand what “whataboutism” is. Whataboutism seeks to divert attention and justify what is being done by the fact that other wrongs are being done. My comment is not trying to diminish in anyway what they’re doing, but explain what it is they’re trying to achieve by analogy to policies like Stolen Generations or forced assimilations. I’m not trying to say “we’re just as bad so don’t criticize them”, I’m saying “this is horrible, here’s why, look up the history of how this turned out for others” sheesh
- Slansitartop 9y ago
  That could be considered "genocide," under many definitions of that term. For instance: > By "genocide" we mean the destruction of an ethnic group…. Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups…. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_definitions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_definitions
tome 9y ago
FYI, Nazi concentration camps and Nazi extermination camps were different things.