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The article has it backward. As a staunch deletionist, I can attest that articles about non-notable women are much harder to get deleted than articles about non

The article has it backward. As a staunch deletionist, I can attest that articles about non-notable women are much harder to get deleted than articles about non-notable men.

brazzy 9y ago
Can you support that with any kind of concrete data? The article may rely on a small sample, but at least it does have evidence to support its claim.
- astrodev 9y ago
  Nothing but anecdotal personal experience from participation in more than a thousand deletion discussions. At one point I analyzed my "Articles for deletion" stats (how often my vote matched the community decision) and found that in order to keep my match percentage high (~95%) I needed to use more stringent criteria for males than for females.
  - nkurz 9y ago
    It seems so unlikely that you'd have already analyzed your deletion statistics for males vs females that I think you have to be trolling, but I'd love to understand your worldview if you are not. Could you provide a link to your Wikipedia deletion activity?
    - astrodev 9y ago
      Sorry, everyone in the Wikimedia community is so obsessed with preserving their anonymity that "outing" myself here would put me at a significant disadvantage. I don't think I am trolling. There are multiple tools to analyze the statistics, e.g. [1], and the female biographies stood out for me. Everybody checks the deletion discussion stats since a high accuracy (in terms of one's vote matching the consensus) is a de facto requirement to become an admin. I don't think there is anything sinister going on, simply a few editors with extremely inclusionist views tend to patrol articles about females [2]. Since the average deletion discussion has only ~3 participants, this results in a bias. [1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/afdstats/ https://tools.wmflabs.org/afdstats/ [2] I kid you not, for example Megalibrarygirl, who's recently become an admin, is only involved in articles about women [3] [3] https://tools.wmflabs.org/afdstats/afdstats.py?name=Megalibrarygirl&max=500&startdate=&enddate=&altname=&nomsonly=false https://tools.wmflabs.org/afdstats/afdstats.py?name=Megalibr...
olliej 9y ago
Cool, so have you gone through and deleted all the articles about individual software engineers? Because I know of numerous. What is your definition of "notable"? I assume if you can produce stats you have objective criteria? Have you deleted "local hero" articles? What is the criteria for relevance? I recall there being numerous studies in the past demonstrating articles about important events and people in non-western environments being deleted.
- astrodev 9y ago
  The notability criteria are site-wide, not personal and depend somewhat on the source of notability of a given subject (e.g. different criteria for academics than for most other living persons). Check out [1] if you are genuinely interested. Actually, I think there is a significant bias against things that lack sources in English. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability

The article has it backward. As a staunch deletionist, I can attest that articles about non-notable women are much harder to get deleted than articles about non-notable men.

brazzy 9y ago

Can you support that with any kind of concrete data? The article may rely on a small sample, but at least it does have evidence to support its claim.

astrodev 9y ago
Nothing but anecdotal personal experience from participation in more than a thousand deletion discussions. At one point I analyzed my "Articles for deletion" stats (how often my vote matched the community decision) and found that in order to keep my match percentage high (~95%) I needed to use more stringent criteria for males than for females.
- nkurz 9y ago
  It seems so unlikely that you'd have already analyzed your deletion statistics for males vs females that I think you have to be trolling, but I'd love to understand your worldview if you are not. Could you provide a link to your Wikipedia deletion activity?
  - astrodev 9y ago
    Sorry, everyone in the Wikimedia community is so obsessed with preserving their anonymity that "outing" myself here would put me at a significant disadvantage. I don't think I am trolling. There are multiple tools to analyze the statistics, e.g. [1], and the female biographies stood out for me. Everybody checks the deletion discussion stats since a high accuracy (in terms of one's vote matching the consensus) is a de facto requirement to become an admin. I don't think there is anything sinister going on, simply a few editors with extremely inclusionist views tend to patrol articles about females [2]. Since the average deletion discussion has only ~3 participants, this results in a bias. [1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/afdstats/ https://tools.wmflabs.org/afdstats/ [2] I kid you not, for example Megalibrarygirl, who's recently become an admin, is only involved in articles about women [3] [3] https://tools.wmflabs.org/afdstats/afdstats.py?name=Megalibrarygirl&max=500&startdate=&enddate=&altname=&nomsonly=false https://tools.wmflabs.org/afdstats/afdstats.py?name=Megalibr...

olliej 9y ago

Cool, so have you gone through and deleted all the articles about individual software engineers? Because I know of numerous. What is your definition of "notable"? I assume if you can produce stats you have objective criteria? Have you deleted "local hero" articles? What is the criteria for relevance? I recall there being numerous studies in the past demonstrating articles about important events and people in non-western environments being deleted.

astrodev 9y ago
The notability criteria are site-wide, not personal and depend somewhat on the source of notability of a given subject (e.g. different criteria for academics than for most other living persons). Check out [1] if you are genuinely interested. Actually, I think there is a significant bias against things that lack sources in English. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability