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I wonder if having for-profit organisations/startups who's core mission it is to protect these fantastic animals would be more successful vs non-profits or gove

I wonder if having for-profit organisations/startups who's core mission it is to protect these fantastic animals would be more successful vs non-profits or government projects. Not necessary to make a buck, but in many cases, for-profit organisations get more done because of the constant pressure they feel to perform.

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slgeorge 9y ago
There's no particular evidence that "for profit" organisations do better at handling "common goods". And the very definition of your 'for-profit' organisation is that this is what is providing 'pressure to perform'. If they didn't have that pressure they'd just be the same as non-profit. You'd have to explain how a "profit motive" could impact these common goods - which would mean they wouldn't be in public ownership.
- toasterlovin 9y ago
  I think the idea is to take the common good and make it, to some extent, a private good so that there is a profit motive behind keeping it intact.
ceejayoz 9y ago
Maybe not the best idea. https://www.vice.com/en_nz/article/jm9vjp/how-a-thai-tiger-sanctuary-got-busted-selling-tiger-parts https://www.vice.com/en_nz/article/jm9vjp/how-a-thai-tiger-s... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-animal-sanctuary-lion-s-gate-colorado-kill-all-euthanise-three-tigers-lions-five-bears-relocate-a7717176.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-animal-s...
- ancap 9y ago
  Not sure about the thai tiger sanctuary but the referenced Lion's Gate Sanctuary was a 501(c)(3) according to page 3 of http://www.elbertcounty-co.gov/docs/SU-16-0019%20LIONS%20GATE%20FULL%20Planning%20Commission%20Packet.pdf http://www.elbertcounty-co.gov/docs/SU-16-0019%20LIONS%20GAT...
Can_Not 9y ago
> for-profit organisations get more done because of the constant pressure they feel to perform. How is it possible that changing the primary existential goal from "save animals" to "make profits" will lead to more efficient animal saving rather than loss of efficiency in animal saving for the sake of profit? That seems like the exact opposite of what would happen.
- toasterlovin 9y ago
  If saving the animals = more profit, then more animals will be saved. That's the argument, at least, not saying it's feasible.
  - Can_Not 9y ago
    All you did was repeat the argument without adding any plausible explanation.
    - toasterlovin 9y ago
      Is it really necessary to explain that people desire to enrich themselves, therefore they seek profit, therefore they will do things which resulted in profit?
      - Can_Not 9y ago
        It necessary to explain when you magically hand-wave in that it's going to benefit the environment and natural animal populations when all evidence and logic indicates the opposite.

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slgeorge 9y ago

There's no particular evidence that "for profit" organisations do better at handling "common goods". And the very definition of your 'for-profit' organisation is that this is what is providing 'pressure to perform'. If they didn't have that pressure they'd just be the same as non-profit. You'd have to explain how a "profit motive" could impact these common goods - which would mean they wouldn't be in public ownership.

toasterlovin 9y ago
I think the idea is to take the common good and make it, to some extent, a private good so that there is a profit motive behind keeping it intact.

ceejayoz 9y ago

Maybe not the best idea. https://www.vice.com/en_nz/article/jm9vjp/how-a-thai-tiger-sanctuary-got-busted-selling-tiger-parts https://www.vice.com/en_nz/article/jm9vjp/how-a-thai-tiger-s... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-animal-sanctuary-lion-s-gate-colorado-kill-all-euthanise-three-tigers-lions-five-bears-relocate-a7717176.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-animal-s...

ancap 9y ago
Not sure about the thai tiger sanctuary but the referenced Lion's Gate Sanctuary was a 501(c)(3) according to page 3 of http://www.elbertcounty-co.gov/docs/SU-16-0019%20LIONS%20GATE%20FULL%20Planning%20Commission%20Packet.pdf http://www.elbertcounty-co.gov/docs/SU-16-0019%20LIONS%20GAT...

Can_Not 9y ago

> for-profit organisations get more done because of the constant pressure they feel to perform. How is it possible that changing the primary existential goal from "save animals" to "make profits" will lead to more efficient animal saving rather than loss of efficiency in animal saving for the sake of profit? That seems like the exact opposite of what would happen.

toasterlovin 9y ago
If saving the animals = more profit, then more animals will be saved. That's the argument, at least, not saying it's feasible.
- Can_Not 9y ago
  All you did was repeat the argument without adding any plausible explanation.
  - toasterlovin 9y ago
    Is it really necessary to explain that people desire to enrich themselves, therefore they seek profit, therefore they will do things which resulted in profit?
    - Can_Not 9y ago
      It necessary to explain when you magically hand-wave in that it's going to benefit the environment and natural animal populations when all evidence and logic indicates the opposite.