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I hear what you're saying, and it's true to some extent with projects, like say, opencv. > Communities are great for incrementally evolving a project, but not
by wokwokwok 9y ago
I hear what you're saying, and it's true to some extent with projects, like say, opencv.
> Communities are great for incrementally evolving a project, but not as much for answering fundamental existential questions about what the project is, like "Are types good?"
However, kotlin, rust and go all offer counter points to your argument with regard to languages.
That simply isn't the case; the community is full of people who have things to say about this... if you're prepared to listen.
...this just sounds like an excuse to avoid engaging with the community, and a flip off to the very smart people out there who have meaningful things to say about this stuff.
> The past couple of years (and some org changes) have helped improve that, I believe.
Well, if it has, you have some serious work to do to communicate that to community, because it doesn't feel like it to me.
This kind of comment from the Dart team (aka. community has nothing to offer us) is extremely irritating, and just makes me, personally, not want to even bother to try what you've built.
- munificent 9y ago> However, kotlin, rust and go all offer counter points to your argument with regard to languages. I don't think that's true. Kotlin was pretty well baked when first publicly launched. Most of the syntax, semantics, non-nullable types, etc. was all there on day one. There have been lots of changes since then, of course, but Kotlin is still roughly the same language it was before. It's not like it's turned into a Lisp or something. Rust has made more significant changes since they launched, but most of the foundational questions have the same answers that they did on day one: maximize safety and performance and be willing to accept complexity and strict compile errors to get it. > This kind of comment from the Dart team (aka. community has nothing to offer us) I'm sorry, but I think that's a very uncharitable reading of what I wrote.