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I’m curious if the average Model 3 buyer is the same as the average electric car buyer. The Model 3 isn’t just an electric car the same way a GM Bolt EV is, the

by jbuild 9y ago

I’m curious if the average Model 3 buyer is the same as the average electric car buyer. The Model 3 isn’t just an electric car the same way a GM Bolt EV is, the Tesla has all the self-driving features that are still relatively unmatched by other offerings in the market. The Autonomous Bolt EV doesn’t go into production until next year.

wffurr 9y ago
Some argue that GM's "Super Cruise" is a better level 2 system than the Tesla systems: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/04/cadillac-super-cruises-to-the-front-with-the-most-advanced-semi-autonomous-car-on-the-market/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/04/cadillac-super-cruises-... Not yet available in the Bolt, but maybe in the next model year.
telchar 9y ago
I would consider another EV - for me that's the main I'm looking for in my next car. The reason I'm waiting for a model 3 rather than already driving a Bolt or Leaf is largely a matter of battery longevity. I want to have some assurance that the battery will not need replacing in the first 5-10 years. Tesla so far seems to be the best in that regard with their large packs and active pack management. The beauty and performance of the car are a nice plus, but even with that I'm not certain I'll wind up with a 3.
- elago 9y ago
  What data have you found regarding superiority of the Tesla Model 3 battery pack vs the Bolt. From my research, the Leaf is far behind, but the Bolt and Model 3 seem very similar almost to the point where I'd guess driving style and heater usage would make up the difference.
  - telchar 9y ago
    I was basing that concern mostly on bad reports of the Leaf battery, good reports of the Tesla battery (someone put together a data set of range loss vs mileage) and lack of data on the Bolt. I haven't seen data yet on the Bolt. The other child comment suggests it's favorable, though. If new data shows the Bolt as having similar longevity to the Tesla then it's more of a contender for me, although I don't think highly of GM or their cars in general.
- Tagbert 9y ago
  All of the reports I have heard about the battery longevity of GM's Volt are very encouraging. Very few large-scale battery problems. Some users with 400K miles. GM did a good job with battery management. Presumably they continue that with the Bolt.
ecnoguy1 9y ago
>the Tesla has all the self-driving features that are still relatively unmatched by other offerings in the market Where do you get this idea from?: "Now, a new report from Navigant Research has dropped, rating the relative positions of various firms racing to develop self-driving cars — and it ranks Tesla dead last, behind the entire field." https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/262510-new-report-self-driving-cars-ranks-tesla-dead-last https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/262510-new-report-self-d... It's one thing to claim Tesla are really good (and that might be a stretch). But unmatched? Based on what evidence?
- cmrdporcupine 9y ago
  Unmatched marketing, for sure. Their system, if they ever turn it on fully, is going to lead to accidents and lawsuits.

by jbuild 9y ago

wffurr 9y ago

Some argue that GM's "Super Cruise" is a better level 2 system than the Tesla systems: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/04/cadillac-super-cruises-to-the-front-with-the-most-advanced-semi-autonomous-car-on-the-market/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/04/cadillac-super-cruises-... Not yet available in the Bolt, but maybe in the next model year.

telchar 9y ago

I would consider another EV - for me that's the main I'm looking for in my next car. The reason I'm waiting for a model 3 rather than already driving a Bolt or Leaf is largely a matter of battery longevity. I want to have some assurance that the battery will not need replacing in the first 5-10 years. Tesla so far seems to be the best in that regard with their large packs and active pack management. The beauty and performance of the car are a nice plus, but even with that I'm not certain I'll wind up with a 3.

elago 9y ago
What data have you found regarding superiority of the Tesla Model 3 battery pack vs the Bolt. From my research, the Leaf is far behind, but the Bolt and Model 3 seem very similar almost to the point where I'd guess driving style and heater usage would make up the difference.
- telchar 9y ago
  I was basing that concern mostly on bad reports of the Leaf battery, good reports of the Tesla battery (someone put together a data set of range loss vs mileage) and lack of data on the Bolt. I haven't seen data yet on the Bolt. The other child comment suggests it's favorable, though. If new data shows the Bolt as having similar longevity to the Tesla then it's more of a contender for me, although I don't think highly of GM or their cars in general.
Tagbert 9y ago
All of the reports I have heard about the battery longevity of GM's Volt are very encouraging. Very few large-scale battery problems. Some users with 400K miles. GM did a good job with battery management. Presumably they continue that with the Bolt.

ecnoguy1 9y ago

>the Tesla has all the self-driving features that are still relatively unmatched by other offerings in the market Where do you get this idea from?: "Now, a new report from Navigant Research has dropped, rating the relative positions of various firms racing to develop self-driving cars — and it ranks Tesla dead last, behind the entire field." https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/262510-new-report-self-driving-cars-ranks-tesla-dead-last https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/262510-new-report-self-d... It's one thing to claim Tesla are really good (and that might be a stretch). But unmatched? Based on what evidence?

cmrdporcupine 9y ago
Unmatched marketing, for sure. Their system, if they ever turn it on fully, is going to lead to accidents and lawsuits.