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Seeing the age of this comment when I came to the thread and it being at the top I kinda brushed it off and scrolled on to the rest of the comments. It literal

Seeing the age of this comment when I came to the thread and it being at the top I kinda brushed it off and scrolled on to the rest of the comments. It literally looks like astroturffing against dart as a language. I think this awesome that, even though dart is seeing low adoption, Google is pushing forward and building flutter. The framework and language look like they have a lot of good technical reasons of existing, chief amongst which is native AOT compilation. Best of luck to the team!

porker 9y ago
The reaction here makes me look very positively on Dartlang. At least it hasn't got the fanboy "sun shines out of my new programming language" problem.
- beckler 9y ago
  The irony is that Dart was co-created by Lars Bak, who is also known for creating Chrome's V8 engine.
  - discreteevent 9y ago
    Indeed if anyone ever earned the right to make a new language - they did. They were the first to make js really fast and they pulled every trick in the book (from their extensive VM writing experience). But they were ultimately blocked by things like the ability of js objects to change shape. I sympathise with their frustration and from an engineering point of view they did the right thing. They solved the root cause of the problem which was the language.
    - pasabagi 9y ago
      As somebody who has no dog in the game, I hope this takes off. Javascript and the world of frameworks frankly looks horrible from an outsider's perspective.
    - mandeepj 9y ago
      > js objects to change shape Could you please share more details?
      - ngzhian 9y ago
        http://mrale.ph/blog/2015/01/11/whats-up-with-monomorphism.html http://mrale.ph/blog/2015/01/11/whats-up-with-monomorphism.h...
- matte_black 9y ago
  What languages suffer that problem? Elixir? Rust? Juice?
  - porker 9y ago
    Putting together this list made me realise how much is not just language, but language + framework / language + architectural pattern. * Ruby (coupled very strongly with Rails). Around 2007 in particular * JavaScript when nodejs started becoming a thing, and microservices. The hype! * Nim * Clojure(script) went through it on HN, though I could see some of the reasons why it did (and it was muted) * Can't speak about the functional languages as I've yet to grasp them.
    - gkya 9y ago
      Functional programming is fun, but ML family of languages, especially Haskell, can be very complex if you're not a CS/Maths type. My favourite languages as of now are Emacs Lisp and Ruby (I'm new to Ruby, I like it because it's got a rich ecosystem of libraries and nice, expressive and extensible syntax/paradigms in a clean package; tho I'd probably reach for Django if I had to write a web app, definitely not Rails), and although Haskell is incredibly interesting to play with, writing an actual, complete program with it is practically impossible for me, even if it's small. Just too many things to learn. There definitely is a lot of hype around them, but just for the most part.
      - matte_black 9y ago
        Is most of the hype the result of developer “signaling”?
        porker 9y ago
        That's my take. Some e.g. Ruby/Rails was due to ppl in other languages (Java?) suddenly seeing how 'easy' web development could be. Many of the others... yeah.
    - lilactown 9y ago

porker 9y ago

The reaction here makes me look very positively on Dartlang. At least it hasn't got the fanboy "sun shines out of my new programming language" problem.

beckler 9y ago
The irony is that Dart was co-created by Lars Bak, who is also known for creating Chrome's V8 engine.
- discreteevent 9y ago
  Indeed if anyone ever earned the right to make a new language - they did. They were the first to make js really fast and they pulled every trick in the book (from their extensive VM writing experience). But they were ultimately blocked by things like the ability of js objects to change shape. I sympathise with their frustration and from an engineering point of view they did the right thing. They solved the root cause of the problem which was the language.
  - pasabagi 9y ago
    As somebody who has no dog in the game, I hope this takes off. Javascript and the world of frameworks frankly looks horrible from an outsider's perspective.
  - mandeepj 9y ago
    > js objects to change shape Could you please share more details?
    - ngzhian 9y ago
      http://mrale.ph/blog/2015/01/11/whats-up-with-monomorphism.html http://mrale.ph/blog/2015/01/11/whats-up-with-monomorphism.h...
matte_black 9y ago
What languages suffer that problem? Elixir? Rust? Juice?
- porker 9y ago
  Putting together this list made me realise how much is not just language, but language + framework / language + architectural pattern. * Ruby (coupled very strongly with Rails). Around 2007 in particular * JavaScript when nodejs started becoming a thing, and microservices. The hype! * Nim * Clojure(script) went through it on HN, though I could see some of the reasons why it did (and it was muted) * Can't speak about the functional languages as I've yet to grasp them.
  - gkya 9y ago
    Functional programming is fun, but ML family of languages, especially Haskell, can be very complex if you're not a CS/Maths type. My favourite languages as of now are Emacs Lisp and Ruby (I'm new to Ruby, I like it because it's got a rich ecosystem of libraries and nice, expressive and extensible syntax/paradigms in a clean package; tho I'd probably reach for Django if I had to write a web app, definitely not Rails), and although Haskell is incredibly interesting to play with, writing an actual, complete program with it is practically impossible for me, even if it's small. Just too many things to learn. There definitely is a lot of hype around them, but just for the most part.
    - matte_black 9y ago
      Is most of the hype the result of developer “signaling”?
      - porker 9y ago
        That's my take. Some e.g. Ruby/Rails was due to ppl in other languages (Java?) suddenly seeing how 'easy' web development could be. Many of the others... yeah.
  - lilactown 9y ago