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How is this any worse than having learner drivers on the road?

by rymate1234 9y ago

frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
The companies involved haven't even shown that their systems are as safe as learner drivers.
lukev 9y ago
Learner drivers have an instructor in the passenger seat. Who has a set of auxiliary brakes.
- rymate1234 9y ago
  Our learning AIs will have an instructor, just remotely > the DMV will require that those testing autonomous cars without a driver present have a dedicated communications channel that ties the car to a remote operator, who can take over if needed.
  - Piskvorrr 9y ago
    "Okay, you need to brake n-" ECONNRESET
  - lukev 9y ago
    What technology does the communications channel use? If IP based, what happens when the connection drops or lags? Will the car pull over, keep driving, or just stop in the middle of the road?
- aianus 9y ago
  Not in the US, it's usually just the family car with their Dad in the passenger seat who may or may not even be a decent driver himself. I did driving school for 4 hours before I got my own full license and car and was allowed to drive on my own. 4 hours.
  - RandallBrown 9y ago
    Careful when saying statements like "Not in the US." Growing up in Michigan we had lots training with an instructor (who had his own set of brakes) before getting a permit that allowed us to drive with our parents. Then after a year or so you could get your full license.
  - simion314 9y ago
    For an European this feels horrible,here some people take the exams even 10 times until they pass or just give up. you must learn all the rules for driving in intersections and all other relevant rules and after that you get a test in the city with a policeman. Also before taking the exams there are a minimum number of driving lessons (I think 40 hours ) with an instructor. What you describe can be the cause of the large number of accidents. Unfortunately the driving lessons won't prevent the young drivers acting out and doing accidents in their first years as a driver, because of those bad young drivers you get very expensive insurance for all young drivers so some young persons would register their cars on the parents name, here the insurance is paid by the owner not by the driver.
    - aianus 9y ago
      My insurance was also very expensive that first year, $4600 a year. I avoided cities and traffic for the first couple of months while I taught myself and have never had an issue since.
lysium 9y ago
Isn't a teacher sitting next to the learner?
mmmBacon 9y ago
For one, the human has a brain and human sensors are less easily fooled despite being able to "see" less. LIDAR technology combined with ML is so poor that it can easily be fooled by a stop sign with a sticker on it. Source:[https://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/sensors/slight-street-sign-modifications-can-fool-machine-learning-algorithms https://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/sen...] A human has context where a machine does not. A human automatically knows that a ball being thrown in a yard can end up in the street. A learner's permit also requires that a licensed driver be present. So there's a built in redundancy for decision making. Machine learning or not, computers are simply profoundly stupid. I'm not against autonomous vehicles but I'm fairly skeptical about them. They've improved a lot in a basic way but they don't handle corner cases very well. Unfortunately, driving involves a lot of corner cases due to the complexity of the environment.
- abenga 9y ago
  And how many pedestrians/passengers were killed by autonomous cars during this entire testing period? How many by human drivers? How can you trust human minds so much after the answers to those questions?

How is this any worse than having learner drivers on the road?

frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago

The companies involved haven't even shown that their systems are as safe as learner drivers.

lukev 9y ago

Learner drivers have an instructor in the passenger seat. Who has a set of auxiliary brakes.

rymate1234 9y ago
Our learning AIs will have an instructor, just remotely > the DMV will require that those testing autonomous cars without a driver present have a dedicated communications channel that ties the car to a remote operator, who can take over if needed.
- Piskvorrr 9y ago
  "Okay, you need to brake n-" ECONNRESET
- lukev 9y ago
  What technology does the communications channel use? If IP based, what happens when the connection drops or lags? Will the car pull over, keep driving, or just stop in the middle of the road?
aianus 9y ago
Not in the US, it's usually just the family car with their Dad in the passenger seat who may or may not even be a decent driver himself. I did driving school for 4 hours before I got my own full license and car and was allowed to drive on my own. 4 hours.
- RandallBrown 9y ago
  Careful when saying statements like "Not in the US." Growing up in Michigan we had lots training with an instructor (who had his own set of brakes) before getting a permit that allowed us to drive with our parents. Then after a year or so you could get your full license.
- simion314 9y ago
  For an European this feels horrible,here some people take the exams even 10 times until they pass or just give up. you must learn all the rules for driving in intersections and all other relevant rules and after that you get a test in the city with a policeman. Also before taking the exams there are a minimum number of driving lessons (I think 40 hours ) with an instructor. What you describe can be the cause of the large number of accidents. Unfortunately the driving lessons won't prevent the young drivers acting out and doing accidents in their first years as a driver, because of those bad young drivers you get very expensive insurance for all young drivers so some young persons would register their cars on the parents name, here the insurance is paid by the owner not by the driver.
  - aianus 9y ago
    My insurance was also very expensive that first year, $4600 a year. I avoided cities and traffic for the first couple of months while I taught myself and have never had an issue since.

lysium 9y ago

Isn't a teacher sitting next to the learner?

mmmBacon 9y ago

For one, the human has a brain and human sensors are less easily fooled despite being able to "see" less. LIDAR technology combined with ML is so poor that it can easily be fooled by a stop sign with a sticker on it. Source:[https://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/sensors/slight-street-sign-modifications-can-fool-machine-learning-algorithms https://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/sen...] A human has context where a machine does not. A human automatically knows that a ball being thrown in a yard can end up in the street. A learner's permit also requires that a licensed driver be present. So there's a built in redundancy for decision making. Machine learning or not, computers are simply profoundly stupid. I'm not against autonomous vehicles but I'm fairly skeptical about them. They've improved a lot in a basic way but they don't handle corner cases very well. Unfortunately, driving involves a lot of corner cases due to the complexity of the environment.

abenga 9y ago
And how many pedestrians/passengers were killed by autonomous cars during this entire testing period? How many by human drivers? How can you trust human minds so much after the answers to those questions?