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I will show you another case, company that isnt "bitching" over laws that are good for all humans not just EU and does the right thing, you know backblaze, righ

by _o_ 9y ago

I will show you another case, company that isnt "bitching" over laws that are good for all humans not just EU and does the right thing, you know backblaze, right? "The changes that are being made by companies such as Backblaze to comply with GDPR will almost certainly apply to customers from all countries. And that’s a good thing. The protections afforded to EU citizens by GDPR are something all users of our service should benefit from." https://www.backblaze.com/blog/gdpr-compliance/ https://www.backblaze.com/blog/gdpr-compliance/ Get it? It is shamefull what a couple of technological leeches did to basic human right for their profit, not to mention turning the whole internet into clickbait maze. Stop complaining, it is right thing to do, like it or not.

pythonaut_16 9y ago
It's good to see Backblaze confirming that their GPDR compliance will benefit all of their users. That's definitely been a hope of mine as someone who doesn't live in the EU, so hearing that is encouraging.
- lostcolony 9y ago
  I suspect it will be the norm. For any greenfield development, why would we develop it twice? We have to solve every business problem we have for the EU; why would we solve it differently, to address the same problems, elsewhere? For non-greenfield development, why would we keep two codebases and sets of infrastructure around that we have to support? Better to consolidate. Especially given the positive word of mouth it would generate compared with "Yeah, we're not as careful about your privacy because you're not in the EU". The -only- case where it makes sense to do something different outside of the EU is if there's a key bit of value that we literally can't capture in the EU due to the GDPR, and we want to capture it elsewhere. Now, that's still alarming (in that we could have the privacy haves and have nots), but I just don't know how common that will be, or whether companies would find it worth doing.
  - robin_reala 9y ago
    And remember that GDPR applies to EU citizens outside the EU too, so you’d need to confirm with the user upfront that they aren’t an EU citizen before capturing the information.
    - galvin 9y ago
      I don't think it does. "This Regulation applies to the processing of personal data of data subjects who are in the Union by a controller or processor not established in the Union..." (Ch 1, art 3, para 2)
      - robin_reala 9y ago
        Hmm, thanks for that. Will need to read this more closely.
    - Xylakant 9y ago
      It also applies to users that are not EU citizens, but are located in the EU.
      - s73v3r_ 9y ago
        Don't most regulations? I'm not a citizen of a certain state, but when I drive through it, I still have to abide by their speed limit laws.
        Xylakant 9y ago
        That’s not what it means: A company in the US could aquire a US citizen as customer and consider itself safe. Now that customer moves to the EU - et voilá, the company is subject to the GDPR. There’s many other regulations that only apply to citizens and not based on location.
Feniks 9y ago
Everyone is freaking out. If GDPR is a success Americans may want it too. The same happened with Steam refunds.
- _o_ 9y ago
  But that is good, right?
  - Feniks 9y ago
    For consumers yes. But I understand that Facebook might not like it since it goes against their business case.
jlnthws 9y ago
So nice to see progress in privacy but please someone explains how GDPR will help EU startups! GDPR is inevitably going to hinder any new company forced to abide by it. So the next Uber/Wechat will first flourish in US/China/Russia and then come to the EU, not the other way around. Entrepreneurs / investors also want their time & money to be used to build value first rather than solve yet another accidental complexity that is irrelevant until your revenue model is proven. What am I missing? Is GDPR implementation cost marginal?
- _o_ 9y ago
  It is very costly for existing (!) companies, for startups it comes with fraction of cost, if taken into account from first line of code, from first create table. In few years it will be normal.
- kelnos 9y ago
  I wouldn't say marginal, but it is a lot easier to implement GDPR if you do it up-front, from day one. If you start off with a policy of just not collecting or storing information unless you've made a conscious decision that you really do need it, that's a huge start. From there, you your main obligations are to ensure that any personal data you do collect can be deleted at a reasonably granular level, and that you document your policies around data storage. Is it free? No. But if you're spending a significant amount of time on it as a new startup building from scratch, something is very wrong. And hell, if you started a company recently, you were given the chance to catch up to the incumbents in your market while they've slowed down to retrofit all their systems for GDPR compliance. ;)
  - number6 9y ago
    The GDPR is not that far from existing laws in the EU. So EU company have a headstart
  - freeone3000 9y ago
    Besides implementation costs, you're simply leaving money on the table. You can make lots of profit by selling user's tertiary preference data, often enough to buoy for a few months. It's ridiculous that some Europeans are forcing us to give up money for some fee-fees.

by _o_ 9y ago

pythonaut_16 9y ago

It's good to see Backblaze confirming that their GPDR compliance will benefit all of their users. That's definitely been a hope of mine as someone who doesn't live in the EU, so hearing that is encouraging.

lostcolony 9y ago
I suspect it will be the norm. For any greenfield development, why would we develop it twice? We have to solve every business problem we have for the EU; why would we solve it differently, to address the same problems, elsewhere? For non-greenfield development, why would we keep two codebases and sets of infrastructure around that we have to support? Better to consolidate. Especially given the positive word of mouth it would generate compared with "Yeah, we're not as careful about your privacy because you're not in the EU". The -only- case where it makes sense to do something different outside of the EU is if there's a key bit of value that we literally can't capture in the EU due to the GDPR, and we want to capture it elsewhere. Now, that's still alarming (in that we could have the privacy haves and have nots), but I just don't know how common that will be, or whether companies would find it worth doing.
- robin_reala 9y ago
  And remember that GDPR applies to EU citizens outside the EU too, so you’d need to confirm with the user upfront that they aren’t an EU citizen before capturing the information.
  - galvin 9y ago
    I don't think it does. "This Regulation applies to the processing of personal data of data subjects who are in the Union by a controller or processor not established in the Union..." (Ch 1, art 3, para 2)
    - robin_reala 9y ago
      Hmm, thanks for that. Will need to read this more closely.
  - Xylakant 9y ago
    It also applies to users that are not EU citizens, but are located in the EU.
    - s73v3r_ 9y ago
      Don't most regulations? I'm not a citizen of a certain state, but when I drive through it, I still have to abide by their speed limit laws.
      - Xylakant 9y ago
        That’s not what it means: A company in the US could aquire a US citizen as customer and consider itself safe. Now that customer moves to the EU - et voilá, the company is subject to the GDPR. There’s many other regulations that only apply to citizens and not based on location.

Feniks 9y ago

Everyone is freaking out. If GDPR is a success Americans may want it too. The same happened with Steam refunds.

_o_ 9y ago
But that is good, right?
- Feniks 9y ago
  For consumers yes. But I understand that Facebook might not like it since it goes against their business case.

jlnthws 9y ago

So nice to see progress in privacy but please someone explains how GDPR will help EU startups! GDPR is inevitably going to hinder any new company forced to abide by it. So the next Uber/Wechat will first flourish in US/China/Russia and then come to the EU, not the other way around. Entrepreneurs / investors also want their time & money to be used to build value first rather than solve yet another accidental complexity that is irrelevant until your revenue model is proven. What am I missing? Is GDPR implementation cost marginal?

_o_ 9y ago
It is very costly for existing (!) companies, for startups it comes with fraction of cost, if taken into account from first line of code, from first create table. In few years it will be normal.
kelnos 9y ago
I wouldn't say marginal, but it is a lot easier to implement GDPR if you do it up-front, from day one. If you start off with a policy of just not collecting or storing information unless you've made a conscious decision that you really do need it, that's a huge start. From there, you your main obligations are to ensure that any personal data you do collect can be deleted at a reasonably granular level, and that you document your policies around data storage. Is it free? No. But if you're spending a significant amount of time on it as a new startup building from scratch, something is very wrong. And hell, if you started a company recently, you were given the chance to catch up to the incumbents in your market while they've slowed down to retrofit all their systems for GDPR compliance. ;)
- number6 9y ago
  The GDPR is not that far from existing laws in the EU. So EU company have a headstart
- freeone3000 9y ago
  Besides implementation costs, you're simply leaving money on the table. You can make lots of profit by selling user's tertiary preference data, often enough to buoy for a few months. It's ridiculous that some Europeans are forcing us to give up money for some fee-fees.