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The Supreme Court loves to ignore the ninth. Somehow the fourth amendment is about convenience now? If we aren't detained or delayed, the government can copy,

The Supreme Court loves to ignore the ninth. Somehow the fourth amendment is about convenience now? If we aren't detained or delayed, the government can copy, search, and scan anything they want. It appears the third now too is gone and the government can do what it wants on your land without permission or compensation.

aaronbrethorst 9y ago
It appears the third now too is gone and the government can do what it wants on your land without permission or compensation. I'm pretty sure that the United States government has not been forcing anyone to house soldiers. https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendments/amendment-iii https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amen...
- mindslight 9y ago
  Mitchell vs City of Henderson. They've all been pwnt in one way or another.
  - aaronbrethorst 9y ago
    The Mitchells lost their case—at least on the third amendment claims.
    - kelnos 9y ago
      Isn't that exactly the point the parent was trying to make? (Having said that, it's arguable that the police were not asking to be "quartered", and in any case, the 3rd concerns soldiers, not police.)
      - aaronbrethorst 9y ago
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/03/23/federal-court-rejects-third-amendment-claim-against-police-officers/?utm_term=.063992f817e2 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201...
        kelnos 9y ago
        Yes, I understand that. Please don't fling URLs around as a substitute for discussion. The court dismissing the idea that there is a 3rd Amendment issue could exactly be what the parent was talking about, if he does indeed believe it was a 3rd Amendment issue.
    - mindslight 9y ago
      Yes, exactly. It would be tautological to consider the Supreme Court's decision to be the final word on the truth of the matter - doing so would imply that it's impossible for the government to systematically violate any rights/laws.
- arca_vorago 9y ago
  Actually, this is one of my main retrospective concerns with the tactics we were using in Iraq and I assume Afghanistan. We would literally take over some random families complex at night and dig in for the fight come morning. It was sop, but it wasn't till after I got out and thought to myself, hey that seems like a violation of the 3rd amendment even if it's in another country during a time of war.

aaronbrethorst 9y ago

It appears the third now too is gone and the government can do what it wants on your land without permission or compensation. I'm pretty sure that the United States government has not been forcing anyone to house soldiers. https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendments/amendment-iii https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amen...

mindslight 9y ago
Mitchell vs City of Henderson. They've all been pwnt in one way or another.
- aaronbrethorst 9y ago
  The Mitchells lost their case—at least on the third amendment claims.
  - kelnos 9y ago
    Isn't that exactly the point the parent was trying to make? (Having said that, it's arguable that the police were not asking to be "quartered", and in any case, the 3rd concerns soldiers, not police.)
    - aaronbrethorst 9y ago
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/03/23/federal-court-rejects-third-amendment-claim-against-police-officers/?utm_term=.063992f817e2 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201...
      - kelnos 9y ago
        Yes, I understand that. Please don't fling URLs around as a substitute for discussion. The court dismissing the idea that there is a 3rd Amendment issue could exactly be what the parent was talking about, if he does indeed believe it was a 3rd Amendment issue.
  - mindslight 9y ago
    Yes, exactly. It would be tautological to consider the Supreme Court's decision to be the final word on the truth of the matter - doing so would imply that it's impossible for the government to systematically violate any rights/laws.
arca_vorago 9y ago
Actually, this is one of my main retrospective concerns with the tactics we were using in Iraq and I assume Afghanistan. We would literally take over some random families complex at night and dig in for the fight come morning. It was sop, but it wasn't till after I got out and thought to myself, hey that seems like a violation of the 3rd amendment even if it's in another country during a time of war.