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This is exactly the kind of thing for which (in my experience), libertarians of the type common in tech don't have a good answer. Preventing this kind of abuse

by lukev 9y ago

This is exactly the kind of thing for which (in my experience), libertarians of the type common in tech don't have a good answer. Preventing this kind of abuse involves regulation, either directly or via unions (which themselves must have regulatory support in order to work.) The free market can't solve all problems.

mlloyd 9y ago
The current US of A evolved from a Libertarian country as it was proven, decade by decade, that money and power wouldn't create neighborly generosity but rather cruel oppression and greed.
conanbatt 9y ago
There is always a case for making the company responsible for the things it does. It is liable for the health hazards of their policies?
calvinbhai 9y ago
Its not a free market. When you have indentured labor, these things happen. Give every imported worker a time limited Green Card / Full Work Authorization, and you wont see any such abuse. Libertarian or not, when you shackle the imported labor of America (both skilled and unskilled), there is no incentive for the employer to give better work conditions, because they know that they have salves to do the work.
AKifer 9y ago
And when you ask libertarians about the issue, they will always say that it's the responsibility of the single company. Stalemate.
friedButter 9y ago
>The free market can't solve all problems. No, the "free market" has decided that the workers have a value below minimum wage to the company employing them. Remove the minimum wage and the workers will get more breaks, but earn less overall. > Preventing this kind of abuse involves regulation Or it may be a side effect of what regulation exists such as increased taxes for full time employment or minimum wage?
- lukev 9y ago
  That's just swapping one kind of abuse for another. It is already almost impossible to survive on minimum wage in many parts of the country. Stated bluntly: there is nothing stopping the free market from abusing or killing people if the incentives align that way. If we decide we are better than that as a society, regulation is needed.
  - friedButter 9y ago
    > there is nothing stopping the free market from abusing or killing people if the incentives align that way. If we decide we are better than that as a society, regulation is needed Well, thats true. Any "thing" stopping the free market from abusing\killing people is a form of regulation. Just like you're not allowed to auction off your own organs, or collect and auction organs of others to pay off debts.In a "free market", you would have the ability to market your body too. > It is already almost impossible to survive on minimum wage in many parts of the country Do you feel people should consider this while having children? If you're poor, most of the time your kids will grow up poor\min wage as well. Should you have kids?

by lukev 9y ago

mlloyd 9y ago

The current US of A evolved from a Libertarian country as it was proven, decade by decade, that money and power wouldn't create neighborly generosity but rather cruel oppression and greed.

conanbatt 9y ago

There is always a case for making the company responsible for the things it does. It is liable for the health hazards of their policies?

calvinbhai 9y ago

Its not a free market. When you have indentured labor, these things happen. Give every imported worker a time limited Green Card / Full Work Authorization, and you wont see any such abuse. Libertarian or not, when you shackle the imported labor of America (both skilled and unskilled), there is no incentive for the employer to give better work conditions, because they know that they have salves to do the work.

AKifer 9y ago

And when you ask libertarians about the issue, they will always say that it's the responsibility of the single company. Stalemate.

friedButter 9y ago

>The free market can't solve all problems. No, the "free market" has decided that the workers have a value below minimum wage to the company employing them. Remove the minimum wage and the workers will get more breaks, but earn less overall. > Preventing this kind of abuse involves regulation Or it may be a side effect of what regulation exists such as increased taxes for full time employment or minimum wage?

lukev 9y ago
That's just swapping one kind of abuse for another. It is already almost impossible to survive on minimum wage in many parts of the country. Stated bluntly: there is nothing stopping the free market from abusing or killing people if the incentives align that way. If we decide we are better than that as a society, regulation is needed.
- friedButter 9y ago
  > there is nothing stopping the free market from abusing or killing people if the incentives align that way. If we decide we are better than that as a society, regulation is needed Well, thats true. Any "thing" stopping the free market from abusing\killing people is a form of regulation. Just like you're not allowed to auction off your own organs, or collect and auction organs of others to pay off debts.In a "free market", you would have the ability to market your body too. > It is already almost impossible to survive on minimum wage in many parts of the country Do you feel people should consider this while having children? If you're poor, most of the time your kids will grow up poor\min wage as well. Should you have kids?