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I find it weird that anyone would find this nsfw, however, also after reading the linked article in a child comment of this thread, I am wondering in how many p

I find it weird that anyone would find this nsfw, however, also after reading the linked article in a child comment of this thread, I am wondering in how many places this would be frowned upon. Most people I know played at least one of the Wolfensteins and enjoyed it; it is not like this is some collected memorabilia you are looking to buy on ebay; it’s tongue in cheek game.

pjc50 9y ago
Nazi symbols are illegal in France and Germany; games which include them are censored when sold in those countries.
- tluyben2 9y ago
  Lived in the EU all my life and I did not know that. Bit silly to surpress important (nasty but important) history: it is also not taught in school then or are the exceptions? Edit: specifically asking about highschool kids learning about the symbols, not about WOII in general? Edit2: as far as I can find online the bans are about the flags and greet. I have been to brocantes in France where they sold SS pins etc so maybe it is not as strict?
  - detaro 9y ago
    In Germany, it's allowed for educational or scientific purposes, artworks, clearly negative symbols (e.g. crossed-out swastika symbols of anti-nazi activists) and for religious purposes. Everyone knows what a Swastika looks like.
    - tluyben2 9y ago
      I would consider the entire Wolfenstein game as negative material, but that is probably going too much into taste of individual to allow it. But yes Wolfenstein was banned in DE. I did not know it was that strict.
      - johannes1234321 9y ago
        Regarding the recent Wolfenstein 2 this is even weirder: For being able to sell it the publisher removed all Nazi symbols (including renaming Hitler to Mr. Heiler) but also changing the back story. The main character is supposed to be descent of Jews in a Extermination Camp, in the German version his mom died in a (regular) jail and Jews become "traitors". Which means that the result (apparently - I haven't played either edition) is a game full of Nazi-style settings ignoring all the evil cruelty of that regime, which is criticized in the original. https://www.br.de/radio/bayern2/sendungen/zuendfunk/netz-kultur/wolfenstein-the-new-colossus-nazis-skandal100.html https://www.br.de/radio/bayern2/sendungen/zuendfunk/netz-kul...
        darklajid 9y ago
        Thanks for sharing that! I wasn't aware of either the next story line nor the absurd and crazy German adaption. That feels painfully wrong and is quite disgusting.
        mschuster91 9y ago
        > That feels painfully wrong and is quite disgusting. The problem is that German legislature, jurisdiction and the self-regulating body are... not exactly the definition of agile, more the contrary... it took multiple court jurisdictions to get a final clearance for a f...ing crossed out swastika because some public prosecutors were hellbent on convicting antifas for reproduction of nazi propaganda (yes, for real!). The fact that most of these people are old white ... who never have played a computer game in their life doesn't exactly help gamers' rights in that area either.
        tluyben2 9y ago
        Do gamers care do you know? It is trivial to get versions of any software; cannot imagine people actually adhere to these laws in this case? Buy the censored version; get a torrent of the real thing?
  - pjc50 9y ago
    https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCodeArticle.do?idArticle=LEGIARTI000006419560&cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006070719 https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCodeArticle.do?idArticl... - refers to "display in public" except for film, show, or "d'une exposition comportant une évocation historique". The history is not suppressed and very much is taught in school. It's just the public display of the symbols. It sounds like you can acquire them in private, provided you're not actually trying to be a member of the banned organisations. "membres d'une organisation déclarée criminelle en application de l'article 9 du statut du tribunal militaire international annexé à l'accord de Londres du 8 août 1945" refers to the Nuremberg accords.

pjc50 9y ago

Nazi symbols are illegal in France and Germany; games which include them are censored when sold in those countries.

tluyben2 9y ago
Lived in the EU all my life and I did not know that. Bit silly to surpress important (nasty but important) history: it is also not taught in school then or are the exceptions? Edit: specifically asking about highschool kids learning about the symbols, not about WOII in general? Edit2: as far as I can find online the bans are about the flags and greet. I have been to brocantes in France where they sold SS pins etc so maybe it is not as strict?
- detaro 9y ago
  In Germany, it's allowed for educational or scientific purposes, artworks, clearly negative symbols (e.g. crossed-out swastika symbols of anti-nazi activists) and for religious purposes. Everyone knows what a Swastika looks like.
  - tluyben2 9y ago
    I would consider the entire Wolfenstein game as negative material, but that is probably going too much into taste of individual to allow it. But yes Wolfenstein was banned in DE. I did not know it was that strict.
    - johannes1234321 9y ago
      Regarding the recent Wolfenstein 2 this is even weirder: For being able to sell it the publisher removed all Nazi symbols (including renaming Hitler to Mr. Heiler) but also changing the back story. The main character is supposed to be descent of Jews in a Extermination Camp, in the German version his mom died in a (regular) jail and Jews become "traitors". Which means that the result (apparently - I haven't played either edition) is a game full of Nazi-style settings ignoring all the evil cruelty of that regime, which is criticized in the original. https://www.br.de/radio/bayern2/sendungen/zuendfunk/netz-kultur/wolfenstein-the-new-colossus-nazis-skandal100.html https://www.br.de/radio/bayern2/sendungen/zuendfunk/netz-kul...
      - darklajid 9y ago
        Thanks for sharing that! I wasn't aware of either the next story line nor the absurd and crazy German adaption. That feels painfully wrong and is quite disgusting.
        mschuster91 9y ago
        > That feels painfully wrong and is quite disgusting. The problem is that German legislature, jurisdiction and the self-regulating body are... not exactly the definition of agile, more the contrary... it took multiple court jurisdictions to get a final clearance for a f...ing crossed out swastika because some public prosecutors were hellbent on convicting antifas for reproduction of nazi propaganda (yes, for real!). The fact that most of these people are old white ... who never have played a computer game in their life doesn't exactly help gamers' rights in that area either.
        tluyben2 9y ago
        Do gamers care do you know? It is trivial to get versions of any software; cannot imagine people actually adhere to these laws in this case? Buy the censored version; get a torrent of the real thing?
- pjc50 9y ago
  https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCodeArticle.do?idArticle=LEGIARTI000006419560&cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006070719 https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCodeArticle.do?idArticl... - refers to "display in public" except for film, show, or "d'une exposition comportant une évocation historique". The history is not suppressed and very much is taught in school. It's just the public display of the symbols. It sounds like you can acquire them in private, provided you're not actually trying to be a member of the banned organisations. "membres d'une organisation déclarée criminelle en application de l'article 9 du statut du tribunal militaire international annexé à l'accord de Londres du 8 août 1945" refers to the Nuremberg accords.