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> When half your country frame it as: makers VS takers. I have never heard of that term before. What does that mean? > Then "simply need help" would be a sig

by mrep 9y ago

> When half your country frame it as: makers VS takers. I have never heard of that term before. What does that mean? > Then "simply need help" would be a significant policy change. Again, governments are based on policies and rules. "simply need help" is way to abstract. > Lots of other developed countries have made inroads on poverty. Just look. Which policies and rules used by other governments do you recommend?

Hextinium 9y ago
Conservatives in the deep south I find have belief in this, they think that giving money to people that have none is fundamentally stealing from them through taxation and then giving it to someone that doesn't work as hard as them.
- goatlover 9y ago
  As opposed to giving it to defense contractors or farm subsidies. It's funny how conservatives only focus on tax dollars going to the poor.
  - jopsen 9y ago
    Similarly, I find it "funny" (tragicomical) when poor Americans lists expenses and then complain about how much income tax they pay. To be fair, the poor have a high tax burden in the US compared to other industrialized countries. And they get fairly little for their taxes... Still an Uber driver who complains about taxes being high is sad, because lower taxes will only hurt him.
    - refurb 9y ago
      Not sure that's true. If you're low income enough you don't pay taxes and actually get money back through the EITC.
      - jopsen 9y ago
        What is the cutoff? And yes, I didn't say they were rational players :) Which the article says, we shouldn't expect.
- JustSomeNobody 9y ago
  On the contrary, as a southerner, I see plenty of northerners move down here and spend more fighting property taxes than paying them because their kids are grown and they shouldn't have to pay for schools any more. Let's not pick "sides" here.
  - jopsen 9y ago
    Hehe, similarly, you'll also hear poor Americans complain about taxes.. sure they have a high tax burned relative to rich Americans, when compared to others developed countries. But complaining about taxes doesn't reduce poverty.
- NutriSugar 9y ago
  When people who are receiving help are those I remember in grade school ignoring school work to focus on bullying others (myself included), I definitely feel this way. There is no reallocation of social resources that I lack due to previously mentioned experiences, so I feel there shouldn't be reallocation of fiscal resources to help those that participated. (And I use 'feel' because I know this isn't a rational line of thought.)

by mrep 9y ago

Hextinium 9y ago

Conservatives in the deep south I find have belief in this, they think that giving money to people that have none is fundamentally stealing from them through taxation and then giving it to someone that doesn't work as hard as them.

goatlover 9y ago
As opposed to giving it to defense contractors or farm subsidies. It's funny how conservatives only focus on tax dollars going to the poor.
- jopsen 9y ago
  Similarly, I find it "funny" (tragicomical) when poor Americans lists expenses and then complain about how much income tax they pay. To be fair, the poor have a high tax burden in the US compared to other industrialized countries. And they get fairly little for their taxes... Still an Uber driver who complains about taxes being high is sad, because lower taxes will only hurt him.
  - refurb 9y ago
    Not sure that's true. If you're low income enough you don't pay taxes and actually get money back through the EITC.
    - jopsen 9y ago
      What is the cutoff? And yes, I didn't say they were rational players :) Which the article says, we shouldn't expect.
JustSomeNobody 9y ago
On the contrary, as a southerner, I see plenty of northerners move down here and spend more fighting property taxes than paying them because their kids are grown and they shouldn't have to pay for schools any more. Let's not pick "sides" here.
- jopsen 9y ago
  Hehe, similarly, you'll also hear poor Americans complain about taxes.. sure they have a high tax burned relative to rich Americans, when compared to others developed countries. But complaining about taxes doesn't reduce poverty.
NutriSugar 9y ago
When people who are receiving help are those I remember in grade school ignoring school work to focus on bullying others (myself included), I definitely feel this way. There is no reallocation of social resources that I lack due to previously mentioned experiences, so I feel there shouldn't be reallocation of fiscal resources to help those that participated. (And I use 'feel' because I know this isn't a rational line of thought.)