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EDIT: Parent post was blaming Linus personally for sundry perceived issues with the greater Linux/Unix ecosystem. I've left my original reply below. ---- Lin

EDIT: Parent post was blaming Linus personally for sundry perceived issues with the greater Linux/Unix ecosystem. I've left my original reply below. ---- Linus had no part in any of those. Most of them existed long before Linux was a twinkle in his eye. Heck, some (two-letter commands) even existed before Linus was a twinkle in his parents' eyes [1] [2] [3]. (The exception being git, which is objectively one of the best DVCSes which exists. There is a reason it is so widely used.) [1] http://swenson.org/multics_wiki/index.php?title=Linux-to-Multics_Command_Mapping http://swenson.org/multics_wiki/index.php?title=Linux-to-Mul... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multics#Project_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multics#Project_history [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds#Early_years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds#Early_years

nikofeyn 9y ago
i didn’t say he did create any of those. i only said he created git, which is true. i also didn’t blame linus like you say. i removed my response because, well, it was negative. i would just appreciate linus taking a less combative approach because his world hasn’t endowed the world of computing with as much nicety as he seems to think it has.
- colanderman 9y ago
  Linus has endowed the world with what is possibly objectively one of the greatest, and most historically significant, pieces of software ever to exist. He's entitled to his opinion. To claim he isn't, because the greater open-source ecosystem is fragmented and not user-friendly, is kind of like saying John Lennon has no right to complain about disco, because hippies are smelly.
  - nikofeyn 9y ago
    i never claimed he wasn't entitled. i have simply stated i am tired of his complaints and rants. and my point is that the world he has helped nurture is not without its travesties, so maybe he should concentrate on that rather than constantly bitching about what other people have built. it would be nice if you stopped twisting my comments to say what you think they say. and i don’t even understand your retort anyway.
    - RobertRoberts 9y ago
      >... constantly bitching about what other people have built." Exaggerating to the extreme implies you do not have a strong basis for your argument. If you actually count the number of times he's bitched about something, it's probably like 20 or 30 (can anyone provide a real number?). And even then only 2 are debatable in their value. (also a made up number to demonstrate the lack of solid data on this matter.) Therefore, I suspect you knew this, and just want to vent or make Linus look bad. I hope you have a better day tomorrow and make a decent follow up comment.
      - nikofeyn 9y ago
        in my own personal experience, my primary source of linus news comes from articles being posted about him ranting or cursing about something. i didn’t post those. someone else did, and i read them. normally, i will follow these up with reading about various things about him and linux where he isn’t ranting, but those articles have been my portal to his world. why should i care to seek out more about one who i find is well known to throw e-mail tantrums, flip off cameras as a message to companies, etc.? please send your advice and condescending call for positivity to linus as well. :)
        RobertRoberts 9y ago
        The written form of communication lacks nuance. I genuinely hope you have a better day tomorrow.
        pdkl95 9y ago
        > my primary source of linus news comes from articles It's easy to fall into survivorship bias[1] when "news" is your only exposure to a topic. You are only seeing the extreme events that were "newsworthy". > why should i care to seek out more about one who i find is well known to throw e-mail tantrums Do you want to have an accurate understanding of reality or the distorted view limited to whatever was sensational/scandalous enough to be "newsworthy"? When knowledge is derived only from the extreme cases that make headlines, people start to believe inaccurate generalization like "black people are criminals", "Muslims are terrorists", or "gamers are antisocial nerds that might shoot up a school" even though all of these examples refer only to the most extreme members of the group[2]. > but those articles have been my portal to his world If you're going to make accusations about someone, you should probably check if those articles (aka indirect knowledge) are both accurate and representative. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qd3erAPI9w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qd3erAPI9w
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nikofeyn 9y ago

i didn’t say he did create any of those. i only said he created git, which is true. i also didn’t blame linus like you say. i removed my response because, well, it was negative. i would just appreciate linus taking a less combative approach because his world hasn’t endowed the world of computing with as much nicety as he seems to think it has.

colanderman 9y ago
Linus has endowed the world with what is possibly objectively one of the greatest, and most historically significant, pieces of software ever to exist. He's entitled to his opinion. To claim he isn't, because the greater open-source ecosystem is fragmented and not user-friendly, is kind of like saying John Lennon has no right to complain about disco, because hippies are smelly.
- nikofeyn 9y ago
  i never claimed he wasn't entitled. i have simply stated i am tired of his complaints and rants. and my point is that the world he has helped nurture is not without its travesties, so maybe he should concentrate on that rather than constantly bitching about what other people have built. it would be nice if you stopped twisting my comments to say what you think they say. and i don’t even understand your retort anyway.
  - RobertRoberts 9y ago
    >... constantly bitching about what other people have built." Exaggerating to the extreme implies you do not have a strong basis for your argument. If you actually count the number of times he's bitched about something, it's probably like 20 or 30 (can anyone provide a real number?). And even then only 2 are debatable in their value. (also a made up number to demonstrate the lack of solid data on this matter.) Therefore, I suspect you knew this, and just want to vent or make Linus look bad. I hope you have a better day tomorrow and make a decent follow up comment.
    - nikofeyn 9y ago
      in my own personal experience, my primary source of linus news comes from articles being posted about him ranting or cursing about something. i didn’t post those. someone else did, and i read them. normally, i will follow these up with reading about various things about him and linux where he isn’t ranting, but those articles have been my portal to his world. why should i care to seek out more about one who i find is well known to throw e-mail tantrums, flip off cameras as a message to companies, etc.? please send your advice and condescending call for positivity to linus as well. :)
      - RobertRoberts 9y ago
        The written form of communication lacks nuance. I genuinely hope you have a better day tomorrow.
      - pdkl95 9y ago
        > my primary source of linus news comes from articles It's easy to fall into survivorship bias[1] when "news" is your only exposure to a topic. You are only seeing the extreme events that were "newsworthy". > why should i care to seek out more about one who i find is well known to throw e-mail tantrums Do you want to have an accurate understanding of reality or the distorted view limited to whatever was sensational/scandalous enough to be "newsworthy"? When knowledge is derived only from the extreme cases that make headlines, people start to believe inaccurate generalization like "black people are criminals", "Muslims are terrorists", or "gamers are antisocial nerds that might shoot up a school" even though all of these examples refer only to the most extreme members of the group[2]. > but those articles have been my portal to his world If you're going to make accusations about someone, you should probably check if those articles (aka indirect knowledge) are both accurate and representative. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qd3erAPI9w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qd3erAPI9w
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