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Sentiments like these are why I can't Fuck with libertarians. Even though I never experienced as much, I know there but through the grace of God go I. And I don
by aswanson 9y ago
Sentiments like these are why I can't Fuck with libertarians. Even though I never experienced as much, I know there but through the grace of God go I. And I don't believe in god.
- throway808state 9y agoLibertarians want less government, many of them also want basic income, and some (such as myself) want socialized medicine. I want more sharing, and fewer of the hapless fools who pretend to govern.
- skookumchuck 9y agoLibertarianism is not about not helping others. Not even remotely. Libertarianism means you can help others as much as you want to.
- mcphage 9y ago> Libertarianism means you can help others as much as you want to. What’s the political philosophy that means you can help others as much as they need? Maybe we should talk about that one more.
- Consultant32452 9y agoWith the operative word being "can" there, it's still libertarianism.
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- Al-Khwarizmi 9y agoMarxism. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" - Karl Marx.
- gaius 9y agoHe said it in that order for a reason, Comrade, one that I don’t think people really appreciate. It means “if you don’t work you don’t eat”. Doesn’t sound so benevolent now does it?
- tjr225 9y agoWhich, in the case of most of the people who currently hold our wealth, turns out to be not very much at all. Are you surprised?
- rboyd 9y ago"our wealth"?
- tjr225 9y agoSome of us disagree very strongly with the premise of capitalism.
- skookumchuck 9y agoUnder libertarianism, there's no law against communes. You can set one up!
- alistoriv 9y agoAnd if a hypothetical commune became dominant and an existential threat to the existence of a hypothetical libertarian society? The Communist Party of the Philippines operates as a parallel government in many respects, do you think that should be allowed? The Zapatistas? It's misleading to say that it would be a-ok to start a socialist society in a libertarian society. It (like many aspects of libertarian analysis, in my opinion) ignores the reality of a political situation like the one described.
- skookumchuck 9y agoIt's not misleading. Hundreds (thousands?) of communes have been set up in the US. As far as I know, nobody has tried to shut them down. Nobody is stopping you from joining an existing one. You can find them via Google. More to the point, the notion that communes are a threat to libertarianism is flat out false. Libertarianism is about freedom to associate with and do business with people as you please. That includes pooling ones' interests in a commune. What you cannot do under libertarianism is force someone to join, or prevent someone from leaving.
- dfgdsfgsd 9y agoTrue, if we're talking about poor ol' Hayek and Rothbard... but Ayn Rand discourages it and she's the standard bearer. Interestingly, I always found the aesthetics, philosophy, methods of Randianism quite Stalinist.
- skookumchuck 9y agoRand doesn't represent libertarianism. You'll get a far more accurate version if you read Friedman's books one economics.