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That's not even remotely true. We are seeing significant, growing app development on the "hybrid" stack at Ionic, and strong interest in Progressive Web Apps.

msoad 9y ago
How many of top 20 apps in App Store are web apps? I agree that web apps are faster to iterate but the user experience is guaranteed to be worse. I've worked on some of the web apps that are usually featured as "see web can do this". I'm not an outsider. I'm just observing how any app that is successful is either native already or they are making it native asap
- yesimahuman 9y ago
  At the risk of sounding flippant, what the top 20 consumer apps in the app store use and what the rest of the market use are very different things, especially when factoring in the enterprise. I say that as someone building a business and making money from these customers. At any rate, we have a number of well know brand flagship apps built on Ionic, though they might not have usage patterns like Facebook/Snapchat. By far the most mobile development happening right now is outside of the well known consumer social app space.
metilda 9y ago
Mainly due to the average consumer not being interested in installing an app for something like LetGo or OfferUp (Craigslist competitors). Even Facebook works well in a mobile browser, with push notifications even!
rimliu 9y ago
It's like claming that open-space offices are superior because you see them everywhere.
mamcx 9y ago
> growing app development on the "hybrid" stack at Ionic That is not the metric. Is fast-UI, not how many devs are lazy or don't know how do native. I invest more than 2 months researching the space this year (after several other times before), and seriously, only iOS is fast enough for html/webview. Android is SUPER slow. I mean, i get your ionic sample app and run it on my test device. I touch once... and wait a century (sarcasm) for it to respond..
- yesimahuman 9y ago
  That’s a gross exaggeration re: Android touch delay. You are correct though, Android is not as performant as iOS in nearly every category, including JS/web. And no, raw UI perf isn’t the metric for most of the market. Many teams are successful with the stack and deciding to use it, considering it to have perfectly acceptable performance for their needs considering the benefits of using the web stack (as we can attest to working with many hundreds of thousands of developers using Ionic), hence it not being a “failure.” With PWAs emerging, expect the growth of the web on mobile to heat up.
  - mamcx 9y ago
    I don't mean touch delays, I mean the android UI get stuck for so long to be non-usable for any than simple stuff.

msoad 9y ago

How many of top 20 apps in App Store are web apps? I agree that web apps are faster to iterate but the user experience is guaranteed to be worse. I've worked on some of the web apps that are usually featured as "see web can do this". I'm not an outsider. I'm just observing how any app that is successful is either native already or they are making it native asap

yesimahuman 9y ago
At the risk of sounding flippant, what the top 20 consumer apps in the app store use and what the rest of the market use are very different things, especially when factoring in the enterprise. I say that as someone building a business and making money from these customers. At any rate, we have a number of well know brand flagship apps built on Ionic, though they might not have usage patterns like Facebook/Snapchat. By far the most mobile development happening right now is outside of the well known consumer social app space.

metilda 9y ago

Mainly due to the average consumer not being interested in installing an app for something like LetGo or OfferUp (Craigslist competitors). Even Facebook works well in a mobile browser, with push notifications even!

rimliu 9y ago

It's like claming that open-space offices are superior because you see them everywhere.

mamcx 9y ago

> growing app development on the "hybrid" stack at Ionic That is not the metric. Is fast-UI, not how many devs are lazy or don't know how do native. I invest more than 2 months researching the space this year (after several other times before), and seriously, only iOS is fast enough for html/webview. Android is SUPER slow. I mean, i get your ionic sample app and run it on my test device. I touch once... and wait a century (sarcasm) for it to respond..

yesimahuman 9y ago
That’s a gross exaggeration re: Android touch delay. You are correct though, Android is not as performant as iOS in nearly every category, including JS/web. And no, raw UI perf isn’t the metric for most of the market. Many teams are successful with the stack and deciding to use it, considering it to have perfectly acceptable performance for their needs considering the benefits of using the web stack (as we can attest to working with many hundreds of thousands of developers using Ionic), hence it not being a “failure.” With PWAs emerging, expect the growth of the web on mobile to heat up.
- mamcx 9y ago
  I don't mean touch delays, I mean the android UI get stuck for so long to be non-usable for any than simple stuff.