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Well, you can use their OS, which has for years tried to undermine the free and open source communities, but you have to pay for it. And you have to agree for t

Well, you can use their OS, which has for years tried to undermine the free and open source communities, but you have to pay for it. And you have to agree for them to spy on you. And you're poor?? That is okay, just give up more of your privacy rights and we already sold all your data, so you will be a good consumer now. You run Windows. Your mind belongs to us. Your ability to think beyond .NET and C# will soon diminish, and we will give you some mediocre job now based on your mediocre proprietary skills, and your role as a tech worker now be to spread your love for MS to everyone, because if you don't we will stop paying you, and you will have no food and no home. And you will not know how to use anything but Windows.

gaius 9y ago
And you have to agree for them to spy on you. And you're poor?? That is okay, just give up more of your privacy rights and we already sold all your data, so you will be a good consumer now This is hilarious. What OS do you think Google, Facebook and the NSA run?
- braderhart 9y ago
  Google provided an open source operating system, web browser and built a container solution used by every major cloud provider.
  - gaius 9y ago
    You think that was altruism? At the end of the day Gates wanted to sell products for money, straight up cash transaction, take it or leave it. Google et al are sly and underhanded, you don’t know the price upfront, they try to turn you into the product...
    - braderhart 9y ago
      You mean, like if I were to go buy a laptop pretty much anywhere, and they just include Windows in the laptop price??? I don't see how that is any different. I can go buy an unlocked Android phone at Costco for $199 that has Android 7.1.1. I know that I am paying for the hardware, and the OS is free. So, you are basically trying to say that proprietary is better because we don't know what the open source version costs? Well, you have the source code... so I guess you may not be willing to look inside, but the other one you don't have the option to even look.
      - gaius 9y ago
        am paying for the hardware, and the OS is free. It is not free, unless you think Google is made of unpaid volunteers and all its shareholders are charities? You are Gates’ customer, but you are Google’s inventory
        braderhart 9y ago
        So, if you go here: https://source.android.com/ https://source.android.com/ Or here: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/ https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/ Compile it and run it, you are inventory of Google for compiling free source code that you can modify however you want? Where do you get the source code like that to compile for Windows?
        gaius 9y ago
        1) windows source code is very easy to get, under the shared source license 2) you have no assurance that that’s what running on the handset nor what’s in the firmware or the driver binary blobs
        braderhart 9y ago
        @gaius: Now I'm blocked from responding to you. The only source code I could find for Microsoft, is for debugging, and doesn't give you access to all the source. You have to use a smart card that they send as well. Here is the license for Android: https://source.android.com/setup/licenses https://source.android.com/setup/licenses Where is the license for Winblows?
        gaius 9y ago
        You’re not blocked, HN just rate-limits comments :-)
        braderhart 9y ago
        Good to know that my anti-Microsoft messages aren't being entirely censored.
empath75 9y ago
This is so stupid. I’ve used windows exclusively as my home desktop machine and I work with Linux boxes all day at work using a MacBook. You can run windows at home and also know how to use Linux.
- braderhart 9y ago
  What distro of Linux? What kernel version? Do you have graphics acceleration working? Are you running it primarily
  - braderhart 9y ago
    No response, just downvotes... I see.
  - empath75 9y ago
    I don't run linux on my desktop. I'm a devops engineer that deploys a hundred or a thousand linux servers at at time.

gaius 9y ago

And you have to agree for them to spy on you. And you're poor?? That is okay, just give up more of your privacy rights and we already sold all your data, so you will be a good consumer now This is hilarious. What OS do you think Google, Facebook and the NSA run?

braderhart 9y ago
Google provided an open source operating system, web browser and built a container solution used by every major cloud provider.
- gaius 9y ago
  You think that was altruism? At the end of the day Gates wanted to sell products for money, straight up cash transaction, take it or leave it. Google et al are sly and underhanded, you don’t know the price upfront, they try to turn you into the product...
  - braderhart 9y ago
    You mean, like if I were to go buy a laptop pretty much anywhere, and they just include Windows in the laptop price??? I don't see how that is any different. I can go buy an unlocked Android phone at Costco for $199 that has Android 7.1.1. I know that I am paying for the hardware, and the OS is free. So, you are basically trying to say that proprietary is better because we don't know what the open source version costs? Well, you have the source code... so I guess you may not be willing to look inside, but the other one you don't have the option to even look.
    - gaius 9y ago
      am paying for the hardware, and the OS is free. It is not free, unless you think Google is made of unpaid volunteers and all its shareholders are charities? You are Gates’ customer, but you are Google’s inventory
      - braderhart 9y ago
        So, if you go here: https://source.android.com/ https://source.android.com/ Or here: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/ https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/ Compile it and run it, you are inventory of Google for compiling free source code that you can modify however you want? Where do you get the source code like that to compile for Windows?
        gaius 9y ago
        1) windows source code is very easy to get, under the shared source license 2) you have no assurance that that’s what running on the handset nor what’s in the firmware or the driver binary blobs
        braderhart 9y ago
        @gaius: Now I'm blocked from responding to you. The only source code I could find for Microsoft, is for debugging, and doesn't give you access to all the source. You have to use a smart card that they send as well. Here is the license for Android: https://source.android.com/setup/licenses https://source.android.com/setup/licenses Where is the license for Winblows?
        gaius 9y ago
        You’re not blocked, HN just rate-limits comments :-)
        braderhart 9y ago
        Good to know that my anti-Microsoft messages aren't being entirely censored.

empath75 9y ago

This is so stupid. I’ve used windows exclusively as my home desktop machine and I work with Linux boxes all day at work using a MacBook. You can run windows at home and also know how to use Linux.

braderhart 9y ago
What distro of Linux? What kernel version? Do you have graphics acceleration working? Are you running it primarily
- braderhart 9y ago
  No response, just downvotes... I see.
- empath75 9y ago
  I don't run linux on my desktop. I'm a devops engineer that deploys a hundred or a thousand linux servers at at time.