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Can I quote you from another post? > It's not really that difficult to learn six languages to a level of using them professionally. I've seen it happen. [1]

Can I quote you from another post? > It's not really that difficult to learn six languages to a level of using them professionally. I've seen it happen. [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16458513 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16458513

dozzie 9y ago
Oh, of course you can quote me. Though you should also explain how is this particular quote of any relevance here.
- rootlocus 9y ago
  I believe using a language "professionally" means being senior. Which is different from having a profession where you use said language. On the one hand you're arguing you can't become "Senior" in 5 years, but at the same time you can become professional with 6 languages with little effort.
  - TomMarius 9y ago
    You can be a professional developer that is on junior level.
    - rootlocus 9y ago
      "Professionals have standards"
  - daveFNbuck 9y ago
    Your definition doesn't make sense. I've been labeled a "Senior Software Engineer". Does that mean that any time I write code in any language I'm using it professionally, while people who have been paid to write the same language for years but don't have senior in their title aren't using it professionally?
    - rootlocus 9y ago
      How about "Senior Pascal Developer". Does that make sense? Professional: "a person who is expert at his or her work". Are you an expert with every language? > people who have been paid to write the same language for years but don't have senior in their title Are they experts with the language / framework / tools?
      - TomMarius 9y ago
        From Wikipedia: "A professional is a member of a profession or any person who earns their living from a specified professional activity."
        rootlocus 9y ago
        Also from wikipedia, the second sentence: "The term also describes the standards of education and training that prepare members of the profession with the particular knowledge and skills necessary to perform their specific role within that profession." Also from wikipedia, the second paragraph: "In some cultures, the term is used as shorthand to describe a particular social stratum of well-educated workers who enjoy considerable work autonomy and who are commonly engaged in creative and intellectually challenging work." Can we please stop this nonsense now?
        TomMarius 9y ago
        The paragraphs you've pasted say absolutely nothing about the seniority of said professionals. And there is no indication that we're using the term as the described shorthand.
      - daveFNbuck 9y ago
        > How about "Senior Pascal Developer". Does that make sense? So are you saying I should have a different job title for every language I use? > Are they experts with the language / framework / tools? So you agree that being proficient in a language is a separate issue from job title?

dozzie 9y ago

Oh, of course you can quote me. Though you should also explain how is this particular quote of any relevance here.

rootlocus 9y ago
I believe using a language "professionally" means being senior. Which is different from having a profession where you use said language. On the one hand you're arguing you can't become "Senior" in 5 years, but at the same time you can become professional with 6 languages with little effort.
- TomMarius 9y ago
  You can be a professional developer that is on junior level.
  - rootlocus 9y ago
    "Professionals have standards"
- daveFNbuck 9y ago
  Your definition doesn't make sense. I've been labeled a "Senior Software Engineer". Does that mean that any time I write code in any language I'm using it professionally, while people who have been paid to write the same language for years but don't have senior in their title aren't using it professionally?
  - rootlocus 9y ago
    How about "Senior Pascal Developer". Does that make sense? Professional: "a person who is expert at his or her work". Are you an expert with every language? > people who have been paid to write the same language for years but don't have senior in their title Are they experts with the language / framework / tools?
    - TomMarius 9y ago
      From Wikipedia: "A professional is a member of a profession or any person who earns their living from a specified professional activity."
      - rootlocus 9y ago
        Also from wikipedia, the second sentence: "The term also describes the standards of education and training that prepare members of the profession with the particular knowledge and skills necessary to perform their specific role within that profession." Also from wikipedia, the second paragraph: "In some cultures, the term is used as shorthand to describe a particular social stratum of well-educated workers who enjoy considerable work autonomy and who are commonly engaged in creative and intellectually challenging work." Can we please stop this nonsense now?
        TomMarius 9y ago
        The paragraphs you've pasted say absolutely nothing about the seniority of said professionals. And there is no indication that we're using the term as the described shorthand.
    - daveFNbuck 9y ago
      > How about "Senior Pascal Developer". Does that make sense? So are you saying I should have a different job title for every language I use? > Are they experts with the language / framework / tools? So you agree that being proficient in a language is a separate issue from job title?