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How are arguments like this any different than arguments for Jewish quotas back in the day? What happened to judging people for the content of their character r

How are arguments like this any different than arguments for Jewish quotas back in the day? What happened to judging people for the content of their character rather than the color of their skin? Making Indians wait for up to 70 years (a de facto Indian exclusion act) is extremely racist.

refurb 9y ago
Are you against diversity? Because that's what the quota is there for. Plenty of Indians can come to the US, we just want to leave room for others as well.
- taway994 9y ago
  (1) If India hypothetically broke into 50 nations (at independence there were 556 states), this problem would not arise. Suddenly, India's diversity index would "shoot up". (2) India itself is very diverse: ~30% speak the same language (Hindi) with different dialects. Rest speak over 16+ regional languages with distinct scripts and a 1000+ dialects. Someone speaking Tamil won't understand a Punjabi speaker and vice versa. (3) If someone was born just 5 kms from say Gorakhpur in India , across the border in Nepal, they suddenly meet the diversity bar. (4) Not sure why two immigrants from Austria and Germany are 'diverse' but two immigrants from India's Nagaland and Gujarat, who have different religions, cultures, languages (even facial features, if those count) are clubbed together. (5) Logically extending your argument, you'd also agree with a quota system in all jobs classifications. For example, we should have a 12% quota for African Americans in Google's engineering team. This is an asinine argument. Merit, fit and an ability to contribute to the society should determine America's immigration policy not some racist concept determined by the accident of birth.
  - sridca 9y ago
    > Not sure why two immigrants from Austria and Germany are 'diverse' but two immigrants from India's Nagaland and Gujarat, who have different religions, cultures, languages (even facial features, if those count) are clubbed together. That's an interesting point. When asked by others where I am from I normally respond with "I am from India" - but it would be more appropriate to say "I am from Tamil Nadu" (an Indian State north of Sri Lanka).
  - refurb 9y ago
    If someone was born just 5 kms from say Gorakhpur in India , across the border in Nepal, they suddenly meet the diversity bar. And if they were born 9000 miles away in the US, they'd already be a citizen, so what's your point. Listen, no system is ever going to be "fair" for every person. And considering how often people talk shit about the US on HN, I'm surprised people don't just go to Canada or Australia instead.
- jimmywanger 9y ago
  What's so good about diversity? Arbitrary country lines don't count for diversity, as somebody else pointed out. China and India have huge populations, and China at least has a huge land mass. Why wouldn't we not "leave room" for others, especially if they weren't as skilled?

refurb 9y ago

Are you against diversity? Because that's what the quota is there for. Plenty of Indians can come to the US, we just want to leave room for others as well.

taway994 9y ago
(1) If India hypothetically broke into 50 nations (at independence there were 556 states), this problem would not arise. Suddenly, India's diversity index would "shoot up". (2) India itself is very diverse: ~30% speak the same language (Hindi) with different dialects. Rest speak over 16+ regional languages with distinct scripts and a 1000+ dialects. Someone speaking Tamil won't understand a Punjabi speaker and vice versa. (3) If someone was born just 5 kms from say Gorakhpur in India , across the border in Nepal, they suddenly meet the diversity bar. (4) Not sure why two immigrants from Austria and Germany are 'diverse' but two immigrants from India's Nagaland and Gujarat, who have different religions, cultures, languages (even facial features, if those count) are clubbed together. (5) Logically extending your argument, you'd also agree with a quota system in all jobs classifications. For example, we should have a 12% quota for African Americans in Google's engineering team. This is an asinine argument. Merit, fit and an ability to contribute to the society should determine America's immigration policy not some racist concept determined by the accident of birth.
- sridca 9y ago
  > Not sure why two immigrants from Austria and Germany are 'diverse' but two immigrants from India's Nagaland and Gujarat, who have different religions, cultures, languages (even facial features, if those count) are clubbed together. That's an interesting point. When asked by others where I am from I normally respond with "I am from India" - but it would be more appropriate to say "I am from Tamil Nadu" (an Indian State north of Sri Lanka).
- refurb 9y ago
  If someone was born just 5 kms from say Gorakhpur in India , across the border in Nepal, they suddenly meet the diversity bar. And if they were born 9000 miles away in the US, they'd already be a citizen, so what's your point. Listen, no system is ever going to be "fair" for every person. And considering how often people talk shit about the US on HN, I'm surprised people don't just go to Canada or Australia instead.
jimmywanger 9y ago
What's so good about diversity? Arbitrary country lines don't count for diversity, as somebody else pointed out. China and India have huge populations, and China at least has a huge land mass. Why wouldn't we not "leave room" for others, especially if they weren't as skilled?