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> (And in the case of Russians, rack up a ton of speeding tickets and apartment damage fees and leave the country.) This part of your comment on Russians is xe

by alexk 9y ago

> (And in the case of Russians, rack up a ton of speeding tickets and apartment damage fees and leave the country.) This part of your comment on Russians is xenophobic as it implies some negative personality traits that are common for some nation. > The only difference is they'll work for a fraction of the money and be thankful for the exploitation. This part is also xenophobic for the same reason - implies that all H1B holders are "thankful for exploitation".

prewett 9y ago
It's not xenophobic, which is fear of foreigners, and it might actually represent his experience of Russians. Stereotypes exist for a reason; it should hardly be surprising that people from the same culture tend to act similarly, and not all cultural traits are perceived positively by others.
- dang 9y ago
  That's true of almost all slurs, and people still aren't allowed to post them here. alexk's use of 'xenophobic' was standard. That word no longer means the same as the sum of its roots.
- alexk 9y ago
  >It's not xenophobic, which is fear of foreigners, Of course it is. Xenophobia goes beyond fear of foreigners and often manifests itself via attribution of negative traits to a culture, usually something nasty and bad like violating laws. I encourage you to check out some definitions [1] for more details. > and it might actually represent his experience of Russians. Saying "In my experience, most Russians/H1B holders are" is just a form of confirmation bias. If I said, "In my experience of living in Bay Area, most Americans are <insert some bad trait here>", you would be quicker to call out my B.S. and would be right of course. It's just Russians and H1b holders is a smaller group that is easier to attack like that. > Stereotypes exist for a reason; it should hardly be surprising that people from the same culture tend to act similarly, and not all cultural traits are perceived positively by others. Come on, implying that Russians are getting speeding tickets and damaging apartments and H1b holders are glad being exploited are not "cultural traits" by any measure, please. Anyways, it is really disappointing for me to get to such a low point in discourse on HN where we have to debate the basics of being civil in our comments. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia
  - notMick 9y ago
    Oh gawd, enough with the social justice warrior routine. I've been overseas more than half of my life in different countries and can tell you every country and culture has is it's nuances, good and bad, which exist and can be very different and very noticeable.
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reaperducer 9y ago
It's not xenophobic. As noted in the original message, "In my experience." I have first-hand experience with this, as a former apartment complex employee who had to deal with a slew of damaged apartments, as well as people trying to find former residents who left the country before their court dates. While it might make you feel better to tell yourself it's just a stereotype, in my experience it is real.

by alexk 9y ago

prewett 9y ago

It's not xenophobic, which is fear of foreigners, and it might actually represent his experience of Russians. Stereotypes exist for a reason; it should hardly be surprising that people from the same culture tend to act similarly, and not all cultural traits are perceived positively by others.

dang 9y ago
That's true of almost all slurs, and people still aren't allowed to post them here. alexk's use of 'xenophobic' was standard. That word no longer means the same as the sum of its roots.
alexk 9y ago
>It's not xenophobic, which is fear of foreigners, Of course it is. Xenophobia goes beyond fear of foreigners and often manifests itself via attribution of negative traits to a culture, usually something nasty and bad like violating laws. I encourage you to check out some definitions [1] for more details. > and it might actually represent his experience of Russians. Saying "In my experience, most Russians/H1B holders are" is just a form of confirmation bias. If I said, "In my experience of living in Bay Area, most Americans are <insert some bad trait here>", you would be quicker to call out my B.S. and would be right of course. It's just Russians and H1b holders is a smaller group that is easier to attack like that. > Stereotypes exist for a reason; it should hardly be surprising that people from the same culture tend to act similarly, and not all cultural traits are perceived positively by others. Come on, implying that Russians are getting speeding tickets and damaging apartments and H1b holders are glad being exploited are not "cultural traits" by any measure, please. Anyways, it is really disappointing for me to get to such a low point in discourse on HN where we have to debate the basics of being civil in our comments. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia
- notMick 9y ago
  Oh gawd, enough with the social justice warrior routine. I've been overseas more than half of my life in different countries and can tell you every country and culture has is it's nuances, good and bad, which exist and can be very different and very noticeable.

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reaperducer 9y ago

It's not xenophobic. As noted in the original message, "In my experience." I have first-hand experience with this, as a former apartment complex employee who had to deal with a slew of damaged apartments, as well as people trying to find former residents who left the country before their court dates. While it might make you feel better to tell yourself it's just a stereotype, in my experience it is real.