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> But why a nation that claims itself to be the land of freedom, who routinely criticizes other nations including India for human rights violations, allow such

> But why a nation that claims itself to be the land of freedom, who routinely criticizes other nations including India for human rights violations, allow such a visa system to exist all these years, I don't know. I think going to Canada is the most rational thing for tech workers and people without papers too. I keep wondering why it hasn't been happening more. We've lost our collective shit over immigration in the us. Trump is a temporary aberration, either that or our country will have to fall apart eventually, and we'll split up into different countries, and a lot of us would immigrate to Canada or something. Our years of easy economic growth and high salaried and widespread middle class jobs is ending (even before we lose most trucking jobs) and we are worried collectively about the future. A more rational approach would be improve education, figure out how to get better paying jobs and help industries-its more than cutting taxes on rich people and re-train people that don't have good jobs. We are stuck in a different direction, blaming others, with backwards policies that are supposed to increase employment opportunities in many decaying industries that are mostly or completely pointless. Our visa policy has been screwed up and we've had this insane split about immigration for years - fears of people coming in from 'outside' and taking our limited number of new jobs, but needing at least lots of farm workers and low skilled workers. Never mind that when my forebears came to the us that was 'good immigration' from today's view, even though we've always had mixed feelings about it. So as our lack of good jobs becomes more acute, the pressure against immigration planning just increases. And since we failed to do much to help the people who have lost their jobs for whatever reasons the last 40 years, all those people are feeling ever more desperate and subject to huckster political claims. I think unless there is an amazing massive failure of our current political leadership, and probably even if that happens, we will have a really hard time changing our immigration "strategy". I mean we already had the iraq war 2 debacle, destruction of that country, thousands of americans died, the economy crashed, and we still ended up where we are now politically.

briga 9y ago
>I think going to Canada is the most rational thing for tech workers and people without papers too. I keep wondering why it hasn't been happening more. Because you can easily double your salary working in the US. That and the fact that Canadian winter can be brutal for months out of the year.
- wheretolive 9y ago
  What's the point if you live under a threat of deportation all your life! Do you know how much paper work has to be done to file a petition. I have around 20 pounds in weight of past paperwork!. Every petition is 100s of pages. Even if you have an approved petition, you have to go for Visa stamping where there is a 8-10 page questionnaire, waiting in line on 2 separate days and answer questions. It's all really fucked it. You can do it for maybe 1-2 years. Not for decades. There are many Indians in US, who would be screwed if they lost their jobs in US. They work for the outsourcing companies and if they have to move to to India - their quality of life will take a big dive. There if they make 80k USD, they will make 20-30k USD in India and have a much worse quality of life. These people wouldn't go back unless they are forced to. And they save every penny they can, because they are trying to be ready for the worst case scenario. However, anyone who is highly skilled - they can get a job anywhere. Being in US is like being in a decades long dating relationship where you counterpart raises questions on the relationship and threatens to throw you out every few years. However, some people want to get married and settle and it makes sense for them to move on!
jorblumesea 9y ago
> I think going to Canada is the most rational thing for tech workers and people without papers too. I keep wondering why it hasn't been happening more. Because the US still has the vast majority of prestigious tech companies and still has the edge in innovation. That may be changing long term, but at least on the short term, this is the truth. The opportunities you get at Microsoft or Amazon are unmatched. People will gladly prioritize wealth and career at a Big 4 company vs a nice stable life at some not well know Canadian company.
- gdilla 9y ago
  you talk like there are no big tech companies in Canada. Every US tech company that's a household name (and many more than that) has offices in Canada with engineers in them.
letitgo12345 9y ago
This is not Trump. This bullshit with regards to legal immigration at least has been going on for 15-20 years under Democratic and Republican administrations.

briga 9y ago

>I think going to Canada is the most rational thing for tech workers and people without papers too. I keep wondering why it hasn't been happening more. Because you can easily double your salary working in the US. That and the fact that Canadian winter can be brutal for months out of the year.

wheretolive 9y ago
What's the point if you live under a threat of deportation all your life! Do you know how much paper work has to be done to file a petition. I have around 20 pounds in weight of past paperwork!. Every petition is 100s of pages. Even if you have an approved petition, you have to go for Visa stamping where there is a 8-10 page questionnaire, waiting in line on 2 separate days and answer questions. It's all really fucked it. You can do it for maybe 1-2 years. Not for decades. There are many Indians in US, who would be screwed if they lost their jobs in US. They work for the outsourcing companies and if they have to move to to India - their quality of life will take a big dive. There if they make 80k USD, they will make 20-30k USD in India and have a much worse quality of life. These people wouldn't go back unless they are forced to. And they save every penny they can, because they are trying to be ready for the worst case scenario. However, anyone who is highly skilled - they can get a job anywhere. Being in US is like being in a decades long dating relationship where you counterpart raises questions on the relationship and threatens to throw you out every few years. However, some people want to get married and settle and it makes sense for them to move on!

jorblumesea 9y ago

> I think going to Canada is the most rational thing for tech workers and people without papers too. I keep wondering why it hasn't been happening more. Because the US still has the vast majority of prestigious tech companies and still has the edge in innovation. That may be changing long term, but at least on the short term, this is the truth. The opportunities you get at Microsoft or Amazon are unmatched. People will gladly prioritize wealth and career at a Big 4 company vs a nice stable life at some not well know Canadian company.

gdilla 9y ago
you talk like there are no big tech companies in Canada. Every US tech company that's a household name (and many more than that) has offices in Canada with engineers in them.

letitgo12345 9y ago

This is not Trump. This bullshit with regards to legal immigration at least has been going on for 15-20 years under Democratic and Republican administrations.