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Quite a few of my friends are now applying for Canadian PR. Having suffered under H1B, its amazing how employee friendly the Canadian system is. I can be in Ind

Quite a few of my friends are now applying for Canadian PR. Having suffered under H1B, its amazing how employee friendly the Canadian system is. I can be in India, apply for PR, get a decision in 3 months or less. Then I can go there, find a job. Never have to depend on an employer, never at the mercy of customer or some random visa officer or a CBP agent or lottery. I get to be in control of my life. If Americans don't want H1Bs, its all fine. Kick all Indians out. But why a nation that claims itself to be the land of freedom, who routinely criticizes other nations including India for human rights violations, allow such a visa system to exist all these years, I don't know.

syshum 9y ago
H1B is not about the employee, it is about the employer. I am 100% for more immigration, hell I favor open borders completely. However as much as I am in favor of more immigration, and I am staunchly opposed to the H1B program.
- timewarrior 9y ago
  Isn't this an oxymoron. Open borders completely, but against H1B program.
  - syshum 9y ago
    Not at all, H1B allows employers to hold immigration status over the head of their employers, threatening them with possible deportation or other effects if they do not accept working conditions, pay or other items that would be unacceptable to a person that did not have their immigration status tied to their employment. I am for individuals, not corporations. Ever wonder why large companies are always pushing for more H1B but never for Full Immigration reform. They like the power in balance H1B creates
    - baursak 9y ago
      Yeah, but you already got hundreds of thousands individuals here in H-1 status, and thousands more wanting to join them, for lack of any other options. Then what?
  - dragandj 9y ago
    Seems quite logical to me: completely open borders make H1B obsolete.
  - jgh 9y ago
    H1B is an awful visa as far as work visas around the world go.
NotSammyHagar 9y ago
> But why a nation that claims itself to be the land of freedom, who routinely criticizes other nations including India for human rights violations, allow such a visa system to exist all these years, I don't know. I think going to Canada is the most rational thing for tech workers and people without papers too. I keep wondering why it hasn't been happening more. We've lost our collective shit over immigration in the us. Trump is a temporary aberration, either that or our country will have to fall apart eventually, and we'll split up into different countries, and a lot of us would immigrate to Canada or something. Our years of easy economic growth and high salaried and widespread middle class jobs is ending (even before we lose most trucking jobs) and we are worried collectively about the future. A more rational approach would be improve education, figure out how to get better paying jobs and help industries-its more than cutting taxes on rich people and re-train people that don't have good jobs. We are stuck in a different direction, blaming others, with backwards policies that are supposed to increase employment opportunities in many decaying industries that are mostly or completely pointless. Our visa policy has been screwed up and we've had this insane split about immigration for years - fears of people coming in from 'outside' and taking our limited number of new jobs, but needing at least lots of farm workers and low skilled workers. Never mind that when my forebears came to the us that was 'good immigration' from today's view, even though we've always had mixed feelings about it. So as our lack of good jobs becomes more acute, the pressure against immigration planning just increases. And since we failed to do much to help the people who have lost their jobs for whatever reasons the last 40 years, all those people are feeling ever more desperate and subject to huckster political claims. I think unless there is an amazing massive failure of our current political leadership, and probably even if that happens, we will have a really hard time changing our immigration "strategy". I mean we already had the iraq war 2 debacle, destruction of that country, thousands of americans died, the economy crashed, and we still ended up where we are now politically.
- briga 9y ago
  >I think going to Canada is the most rational thing for tech workers and people without papers too. I keep wondering why it hasn't been happening more. Because you can easily double your salary working in the US. That and the fact that Canadian winter can be brutal for months out of the year.
sheepmullet 9y ago
> Having suffered under H1B, its amazing how employee friendly the Canadian system is. > If Americans don't want H1Bs, its all fine. Kick all Indians out. If you like the Canadian system then you should love Trump. That's exactly the direction he wants to take the US.
- nonamechicken 9y ago
  So far, the only news I have seen about H1B reform is articles such as these, where they are supposedly making it harder for companies who game the system to get the visa. I hope he will change it to a merit based system and free the people from employer dependency completely.

syshum 9y ago

H1B is not about the employee, it is about the employer. I am 100% for more immigration, hell I favor open borders completely. However as much as I am in favor of more immigration, and I am staunchly opposed to the H1B program.

timewarrior 9y ago
Isn't this an oxymoron. Open borders completely, but against H1B program.
- syshum 9y ago
  Not at all, H1B allows employers to hold immigration status over the head of their employers, threatening them with possible deportation or other effects if they do not accept working conditions, pay or other items that would be unacceptable to a person that did not have their immigration status tied to their employment. I am for individuals, not corporations. Ever wonder why large companies are always pushing for more H1B but never for Full Immigration reform. They like the power in balance H1B creates
  - baursak 9y ago
    Yeah, but you already got hundreds of thousands individuals here in H-1 status, and thousands more wanting to join them, for lack of any other options. Then what?
- dragandj 9y ago
  Seems quite logical to me: completely open borders make H1B obsolete.
- jgh 9y ago
  H1B is an awful visa as far as work visas around the world go.

NotSammyHagar 9y ago

> But why a nation that claims itself to be the land of freedom, who routinely criticizes other nations including India for human rights violations, allow such a visa system to exist all these years, I don't know. I think going to Canada is the most rational thing for tech workers and people without papers too. I keep wondering why it hasn't been happening more. We've lost our collective shit over immigration in the us. Trump is a temporary aberration, either that or our country will have to fall apart eventually, and we'll split up into different countries, and a lot of us would immigrate to Canada or something. Our years of easy economic growth and high salaried and widespread middle class jobs is ending (even before we lose most trucking jobs) and we are worried collectively about the future. A more rational approach would be improve education, figure out how to get better paying jobs and help industries-its more than cutting taxes on rich people and re-train people that don't have good jobs. We are stuck in a different direction, blaming others, with backwards policies that are supposed to increase employment opportunities in many decaying industries that are mostly or completely pointless. Our visa policy has been screwed up and we've had this insane split about immigration for years - fears of people coming in from 'outside' and taking our limited number of new jobs, but needing at least lots of farm workers and low skilled workers. Never mind that when my forebears came to the us that was 'good immigration' from today's view, even though we've always had mixed feelings about it. So as our lack of good jobs becomes more acute, the pressure against immigration planning just increases. And since we failed to do much to help the people who have lost their jobs for whatever reasons the last 40 years, all those people are feeling ever more desperate and subject to huckster political claims. I think unless there is an amazing massive failure of our current political leadership, and probably even if that happens, we will have a really hard time changing our immigration "strategy". I mean we already had the iraq war 2 debacle, destruction of that country, thousands of americans died, the economy crashed, and we still ended up where we are now politically.

briga 9y ago
>I think going to Canada is the most rational thing for tech workers and people without papers too. I keep wondering why it hasn't been happening more. Because you can easily double your salary working in the US. That and the fact that Canadian winter can be brutal for months out of the year.

sheepmullet 9y ago

> Having suffered under H1B, its amazing how employee friendly the Canadian system is. > If Americans don't want H1Bs, its all fine. Kick all Indians out. If you like the Canadian system then you should love Trump. That's exactly the direction he wants to take the US.

nonamechicken 9y ago
So far, the only news I have seen about H1B reform is articles such as these, where they are supposedly making it harder for companies who game the system to get the visa. I hope he will change it to a merit based system and free the people from employer dependency completely.