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If this actually does target the outsourcing firms, eg: Tata, Infosys, Cognizant, then this is good for tech. We need more experienced foreigners and not spaghe

If this actually does target the outsourcing firms, eg: Tata, Infosys, Cognizant, then this is good for tech. We need more experienced foreigners and not spaghetti code shops. But really, the system is broken. A lottery is a horrible way to decide value or qualifications. Let in the people who truly deserve it, not the ones who flood the system with applications. Point system, please.

walshemj 9y ago
But that gets gamed look at all the people who do a Bsc and the immediately a MBA to game points systems. MBA's her originally designed for high flying corporate types in their mid 30's who where tapped for advancement.
- fooker 9y ago
  So, account for that in the points system? Why does the system have to be simple or even fixed?
jeremyjh 9y ago
Why not award the visas to the companies bidding for the highest salaries? This aligns incentives better for everyone I think. It would improve the talent pool and prevent the body shops from using the program to staff project managers who send work offshore.
- mtremsal 9y ago
  With this approach wouldn't you help established companies against startups which provide compensation with more stock options and less salary?
  - AlphaSite 9y ago
    Have a separate startup visa for complies below a fixed size?
    - rohit2412 9y ago
      And that's how you get Infosys/TCS to start/acquire a thousand consulting startups
      - AlphaSite 9y ago
        This can have its own set of criteria, it’s much easier to protect a special purpose visa. For example just outright ban consulting on the startup visa.
  - dingo_bat 9y ago
    Yes, startups can source americans until they grow to a certain size. Not a big deal.
- tomohawk 9y ago
  Why involve companies at all? The visa should be tied to the individual, not the company. The goal should be to enable immigration of skilled/motivated people to the US. The only role that appears to make sense for corporate involvement is that perhaps a company could select from individuals who have applied and are awaiting entry.
  - jeremyjh 9y ago
    That would be a completely different visa program, and there are alternatives already. The purported goal of the H1B program is to enable companies to bring in foreign labor when they can establish that there is a labor shortage in certain specialized occupations. That was the legislation that was passed by congress. Of course we've found the actual administration of this program does little to meet those goals.

walshemj 9y ago

But that gets gamed look at all the people who do a Bsc and the immediately a MBA to game points systems. MBA's her originally designed for high flying corporate types in their mid 30's who where tapped for advancement.

fooker 9y ago
So, account for that in the points system? Why does the system have to be simple or even fixed?

jeremyjh 9y ago

Why not award the visas to the companies bidding for the highest salaries? This aligns incentives better for everyone I think. It would improve the talent pool and prevent the body shops from using the program to staff project managers who send work offshore.

mtremsal 9y ago
With this approach wouldn't you help established companies against startups which provide compensation with more stock options and less salary?
- AlphaSite 9y ago
  Have a separate startup visa for complies below a fixed size?
  - rohit2412 9y ago
    And that's how you get Infosys/TCS to start/acquire a thousand consulting startups
    - AlphaSite 9y ago
      This can have its own set of criteria, it’s much easier to protect a special purpose visa. For example just outright ban consulting on the startup visa.
- dingo_bat 9y ago
  Yes, startups can source americans until they grow to a certain size. Not a big deal.
tomohawk 9y ago
Why involve companies at all? The visa should be tied to the individual, not the company. The goal should be to enable immigration of skilled/motivated people to the US. The only role that appears to make sense for corporate involvement is that perhaps a company could select from individuals who have applied and are awaiting entry.
- jeremyjh 9y ago
  That would be a completely different visa program, and there are alternatives already. The purported goal of the H1B program is to enable companies to bring in foreign labor when they can establish that there is a labor shortage in certain specialized occupations. That was the legislation that was passed by congress. Of course we've found the actual administration of this program does little to meet those goals.