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The proportion of H1Bs that are employed by actual tech companies, rather than technical consulting companies, is stark[1]. Having dealt with a number of the l

The proportion of H1Bs that are employed by actual tech companies, rather than technical consulting companies, is stark[1]. Having dealt with a number of the latter batch of outfits, through our customers that have outsourced their IT work to them, I would not be sad to see their business model go away. Neither would most of our customers, who tend to be regretting the experiment and trying to bring their IT back in-house, as soon as their contracts are up. I think the H1B system is dumb. Educated, highly effective workers in in-demand fields are exactly the kind of immigrants you would want to fast-track in for real citizenship, rather than exploiting them in quasi-indentured servitude. The other category I found somewhat mind-blowing was the situation of a lot of my international classmates upon graduation; educate them for four years or more at a prestigious US university, and once they graduate, kick them back home and make it difficult for them to come back. [1] http://fortune.com/2017/08/03/companies-h1b-visa-holders/ http://fortune.com/2017/08/03/companies-h1b-visa-holders/

cryptozeus 9y ago
I agree but usa does not need to do this now because of over supply. They can play the carrot and stick game because h1bs are willing to wait 15+ year for green card. Even after that much wait, you are not guerenuteed to get green card.
walshemj 9y ago
Well some of that is universities charge more for international students and see them as a revenue stream.
- DrScump 9y ago
  What universities charge more for international students than for random, unaffiliated students from other US states? Some state systems "discount" fees for state residents, but that's based on the premise that those families have been paying into the system.
  - sotojuan 9y ago
    It's not that they charge more (though I don't have evidence they don't), it's just that international students almost always pay full price. American students may receive financial aid either from the government, or the university itself (scholarship or other aid). International students on the other hand usually don't. They pay full price. They make universities, particularly private ones, a lot of money. I went to a good but not top private college on scholarship. Some undergrad majors such as business and the graduate business school were overwhelmingly international students. The law school is approaching 50% international students.
  - shagie 9y ago
    UW Madison charges a little bit more for international cs out of state. https://mbo.wiscweb.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/194/2017/05/student-fee-table-FY18-2017-07-31revised.pdf https://mbo.wiscweb.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/194/20... The additional surcharge is based on additional staff for the additional paperwork and programs (e.g. ESL) used by students from abroad. https://iss.wisc.edu/international-student-fee-increase/ https://iss.wisc.edu/international-student-fee-increase/

cryptozeus 9y ago

I agree but usa does not need to do this now because of over supply. They can play the carrot and stick game because h1bs are willing to wait 15+ year for green card. Even after that much wait, you are not guerenuteed to get green card.

walshemj 9y ago

Well some of that is universities charge more for international students and see them as a revenue stream.

DrScump 9y ago
What universities charge more for international students than for random, unaffiliated students from other US states? Some state systems "discount" fees for state residents, but that's based on the premise that those families have been paying into the system.
- sotojuan 9y ago
  It's not that they charge more (though I don't have evidence they don't), it's just that international students almost always pay full price. American students may receive financial aid either from the government, or the university itself (scholarship or other aid). International students on the other hand usually don't. They pay full price. They make universities, particularly private ones, a lot of money. I went to a good but not top private college on scholarship. Some undergrad majors such as business and the graduate business school were overwhelmingly international students. The law school is approaching 50% international students.
- shagie 9y ago
  UW Madison charges a little bit more for international cs out of state. https://mbo.wiscweb.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/194/2017/05/student-fee-table-FY18-2017-07-31revised.pdf https://mbo.wiscweb.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/194/20... The additional surcharge is based on additional staff for the additional paperwork and programs (e.g. ESL) used by students from abroad. https://iss.wisc.edu/international-student-fee-increase/ https://iss.wisc.edu/international-student-fee-increase/