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>Trouble with motorcycles is, at least in the EU, too many years of governments putting the fix for bad car drivers onto the motorcycle license. The capacity li

>Trouble with motorcycles is, at least in the EU, too many years of governments putting the fix for bad car drivers onto the motorcycle license. The capacity limits and multi-part test etc are quite off-putting for new riders. Unsurprisingly, it's still car drivers causing most rider deaths. What you say is false. Here is data to the contrary: https://www.swov.nl/en/facts-figures/factsheet/motorcyclists https://www.swov.nl/en/facts-figures/factsheet/motorcyclists There is a clear relation between engine size and fatalities. There is also a clear relation between stringent license tests and safety. What you have to accept is that you might ride safely, but for every person like you there are a couple of young squids out there who are going to buy the largest capacity motorcycle they can, ride it dangerously and without any gear and any caution thrown to the wind. I am a rider too, and often encounter these idiots. At least in the Netherlands gear is very ubiquitous (except for the nostalgia grandpas on their 1940s antique) but I still see dangerous riding all the time. And in terms of economic incentives, at least in the Netherlands it is insanely attractive. The license is the only obstacle, but you save a lot on fuel and road tax.

oldcynic 9y ago
To me that does not give enough to contradict, they don't break down the figures any further to reveal properly. "Approximately 40% of all serious and fatal motorcycle crashes in the Netherlands are single vehicle crashes (a crash in which no other road user is involved). In the other motorcycle crashes the crash opponent is mainly a passenger car" Now I'm sure some of the other 60% are caused by the biker, but the vast majority of two vehicle accidents involving a bike come down to driver pulling out of side road, overtaking into blind spot etc. Your guess is as good as mine how they broke down further. The only UK figures, with enough breakdown, I can find are 2004[0], which gave rider at fault 42%, other driver 44% with 33% single vehicle. They removed single vehicle to get 22% rider, 57% driver as cause when more than one vehicle. But yes the idiots taking racing line at 100mph in weekend traffic are an accident waiting to happen and have a good chance of ending buried in a wall. I'm happy to let them pass me. [0] http://www.mile-muncher.com/dft_rdsafety_035422.pdf http://www.mile-muncher.com/dft_rdsafety_035422.pdf

oldcynic 9y ago

To me that does not give enough to contradict, they don't break down the figures any further to reveal properly. "Approximately 40% of all serious and fatal motorcycle crashes in the Netherlands are single vehicle crashes (a crash in which no other road user is involved). In the other motorcycle crashes the crash opponent is mainly a passenger car" Now I'm sure some of the other 60% are caused by the biker, but the vast majority of two vehicle accidents involving a bike come down to driver pulling out of side road, overtaking into blind spot etc. Your guess is as good as mine how they broke down further. The only UK figures, with enough breakdown, I can find are 2004[0], which gave rider at fault 42%, other driver 44% with 33% single vehicle. They removed single vehicle to get 22% rider, 57% driver as cause when more than one vehicle. But yes the idiots taking racing line at 100mph in weekend traffic are an accident waiting to happen and have a good chance of ending buried in a wall. I'm happy to let them pass me. [0] http://www.mile-muncher.com/dft_rdsafety_035422.pdf http://www.mile-muncher.com/dft_rdsafety_035422.pdf