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Windows 10S on ARM w/ built-in LTE? Depending on where the price levels off with these things, I think they could realistically carve a solid chunk out of the A

Windows 10S on ARM w/ built-in LTE? Depending on where the price levels off with these things, I think they could realistically carve a solid chunk out of the Android tablet market and the (non-education) Chromebook market

jacksmith21006 9y ago
Not without Android apps supported. Or iOS apps.
- stinky613 9y ago
  It will have the Windows Store apps. Apps are commodities for the bulk of the market; users are attached to the functionality.
- SlowBro 9y ago
  Or, I would suppose, x86 and x64 apps. That's the main reason I run Windows; the mile-wide app compatibility. Looks like at least 32bit x86 apps will run. http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-on-arm-it-will-be-more-limited-and-heres-how-reveals-microsoft/ http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-on-arm-it-will-be-mo...
  - stinky613 9y ago
    They say x86 apps will run under emulation. I've got no clue how well that will work in practice, though. Edit: found this ARM compatibility chart in the zdnet article https://zdnet3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2018/02/19/b2c823f6-760a-4734-aac8-35defa44f44d/resize/770xauto/372e498c733686d87fb65096ee50fbd1/ascreen-shot-2018-02-19-at-11-37-54.png https://zdnet3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2018/02/19/b2c823f6-76... And I get that you use x64 Windows for the compatibility, but this isn't supposed to replace that Windows. This is a product for an entirely different market: the market for tablets and netbooks.
    - SlowBro 9y ago
      Understood. But for me at least I can enjoy the same functionality with my old Toughbook carrying a few extra batteries :-) (Yes I understand not everyone wants to do that.)
      - stinky613 9y ago
        Oh, totally. I think these LTE ARM Windows devices are neat; I don't think they're for me, though.
- ocdtrekkie 9y ago
  One of Microsoft's big pushes is treating Progressive Web Apps like desktop apps, and listing them in the Store automatically. One of the Microsoft devs showed a screenshot with Google Maps on Twitter. With Google itself pushing PWAs, Microsoft will finally get Google app support, whether Google likes it or not, and with any luck, this might start to finally erode the app gap that protects the two incumbents.
  - scarface74 9y ago
    Haven't we seen this story before that you don't need native apps and all you need is the web? Apple said in 2007 and shortly thereafter Palm, RIM, and Microsoft.
    - ocdtrekkie 9y ago
      I think we always roll back to that every couple years. The Internet does get more capable over time, so... eventually it may be true? Of course, the difference is UWP is a decent native app option, and Microsoft definitely isn't saying "all" you need is web. But PWAs will definitely fill in the gaps for people who are explicitly tied to specific products or services.
scarface74 9y ago
The Android tablet market is already dead. The only people buying Android tablets are people who want a real cheap device for watching videos. Apple has 80% of all tablets costing more than $200. On the low end in the U.S., Amazon is making a killing with their bastardized not quite "Android" Fire Tablets. Chrome OS based 2-1s are doing pretty well though. http://www.businessinsider.com/google-android-tablets-future-chrome-os-ipad-amazon-2017-6 http://www.businessinsider.com/google-android-tablets-future...
- stinky613 9y ago
  Yes, tablet sales have declined while 2-in-1 sales have risen. That's why I qualified that the success of these devices is probably going to be determined by where the price levels off for them.

jacksmith21006 9y ago

Not without Android apps supported. Or iOS apps.

stinky613 9y ago
It will have the Windows Store apps. Apps are commodities for the bulk of the market; users are attached to the functionality.
SlowBro 9y ago
Or, I would suppose, x86 and x64 apps. That's the main reason I run Windows; the mile-wide app compatibility. Looks like at least 32bit x86 apps will run. http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-on-arm-it-will-be-more-limited-and-heres-how-reveals-microsoft/ http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-on-arm-it-will-be-mo...
- stinky613 9y ago
  They say x86 apps will run under emulation. I've got no clue how well that will work in practice, though. Edit: found this ARM compatibility chart in the zdnet article https://zdnet3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2018/02/19/b2c823f6-760a-4734-aac8-35defa44f44d/resize/770xauto/372e498c733686d87fb65096ee50fbd1/ascreen-shot-2018-02-19-at-11-37-54.png https://zdnet3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2018/02/19/b2c823f6-76... And I get that you use x64 Windows for the compatibility, but this isn't supposed to replace that Windows. This is a product for an entirely different market: the market for tablets and netbooks.
  - SlowBro 9y ago
    Understood. But for me at least I can enjoy the same functionality with my old Toughbook carrying a few extra batteries :-) (Yes I understand not everyone wants to do that.)
    - stinky613 9y ago
      Oh, totally. I think these LTE ARM Windows devices are neat; I don't think they're for me, though.
ocdtrekkie 9y ago
One of Microsoft's big pushes is treating Progressive Web Apps like desktop apps, and listing them in the Store automatically. One of the Microsoft devs showed a screenshot with Google Maps on Twitter. With Google itself pushing PWAs, Microsoft will finally get Google app support, whether Google likes it or not, and with any luck, this might start to finally erode the app gap that protects the two incumbents.
- scarface74 9y ago
  Haven't we seen this story before that you don't need native apps and all you need is the web? Apple said in 2007 and shortly thereafter Palm, RIM, and Microsoft.
  - ocdtrekkie 9y ago
    I think we always roll back to that every couple years. The Internet does get more capable over time, so... eventually it may be true? Of course, the difference is UWP is a decent native app option, and Microsoft definitely isn't saying "all" you need is web. But PWAs will definitely fill in the gaps for people who are explicitly tied to specific products or services.

scarface74 9y ago

The Android tablet market is already dead. The only people buying Android tablets are people who want a real cheap device for watching videos. Apple has 80% of all tablets costing more than $200. On the low end in the U.S., Amazon is making a killing with their bastardized not quite "Android" Fire Tablets. Chrome OS based 2-1s are doing pretty well though. http://www.businessinsider.com/google-android-tablets-future-chrome-os-ipad-amazon-2017-6 http://www.businessinsider.com/google-android-tablets-future...

stinky613 9y ago
Yes, tablet sales have declined while 2-in-1 sales have risen. That's why I qualified that the success of these devices is probably going to be determined by where the price levels off for them.