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Stock exhausts are not terribly loud, though it's hard to make something that's automobile-level quiet in a motorcycle sized package. I wouldn't be opposed to

Stock exhausts are not terribly loud, though it's hard to make something that's automobile-level quiet in a motorcycle sized package. I wouldn't be opposed to a noise restriction, provided it was implemented reasonably.

0xcde4c3db 9y ago
Exactly. One could argue that bikers are disproportionately responsible for this problem, but they're far from having a monopoly. There's no shortage of people with a "tuned" Civic/Impreza/Neon or cheapskate businesses operating shitty old trucks, at least in my area.
- matte_black 9y ago
  Loud pipes save lives. A life is worth more than having motorcycles pass you by without disrupting your peace and quiet.
  - hfdgiutdryg 9y ago
    Hi-viz clothing and a headlight modulator are far more effective.
  - civilitty 9y ago
    If your life was really worth all that much to you, you wouldn't be riding a motorcycle. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
    - matte_black 9y ago
      This is a very anti-motorcycling point of view. The fact is, motorcycles are unsafe mostly because of drivers who just don’t give a shit and feel entitled to the whole road.
      - civilitty 9y ago
        Yours is a very anti-social point of view. Motorcycles are unsafe by design. You want high acceleration, great gas mileage, and awesome maneuverability? Well then, you don't get the same protection that a car gets. It's basic physics. The fact is, the vast majority of people choose to drive 2+ ton metal enclosures (with much larger total cost of ownership, mind you) and you choose to drive something that actively puts you in danger. That choice is entirely on you as are all of the consequences because, let's face it: no one but a few psychopaths want to be responsible for someone's death. Your argument that drivers don't give a shit rings absolutely hollow. As for entitlement, if a horse buggy or low speed moped gets on the freeway and gets obliterated because they can't function like the cars that the roads were designed for, do you blame the cars or the person who decided to get on the freeway in an entirely inadequate vehicle? I'm all for motorcycles on the road and I'm all for designing safety systems (that don't make life worse for everyone else) into them and other cars on the road to reduce accidents and fatalities. You, a minuscule minority, however, do NOT get to noise pollute our environments far beyond what is reasonable in a dense urban/suburban society just for your own enjoyment. The vast majority of drivers have long ago voted with their wallets and ballot boxes that the quiet, safety, and size of cars is what we want.
      - brokenmachine 9y ago
        I agree somewhat, but it's not all driver's fault. As a car driver, I don't feel entitled to the whole road, but I also don't shed too many tears for the idiots who lane split and ride like maniacs - ironically, maniacs who appear to feel entitled to the whole road. I'm a cyclist most days, so I'm acutely aware of how oblivious and dangerous car drivers can be... so it seems crazy to me that most motorcyclists would choose to buzz between them unpredictably at high speed, instead of riding in a safer fashion.

0xcde4c3db 9y ago

Exactly. One could argue that bikers are disproportionately responsible for this problem, but they're far from having a monopoly. There's no shortage of people with a "tuned" Civic/Impreza/Neon or cheapskate businesses operating shitty old trucks, at least in my area.

matte_black 9y ago
Loud pipes save lives. A life is worth more than having motorcycles pass you by without disrupting your peace and quiet.
- hfdgiutdryg 9y ago
  Hi-viz clothing and a headlight modulator are far more effective.
- civilitty 9y ago
  If your life was really worth all that much to you, you wouldn't be riding a motorcycle. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
  - matte_black 9y ago
    This is a very anti-motorcycling point of view. The fact is, motorcycles are unsafe mostly because of drivers who just don’t give a shit and feel entitled to the whole road.
    - civilitty 9y ago
      Yours is a very anti-social point of view. Motorcycles are unsafe by design. You want high acceleration, great gas mileage, and awesome maneuverability? Well then, you don't get the same protection that a car gets. It's basic physics. The fact is, the vast majority of people choose to drive 2+ ton metal enclosures (with much larger total cost of ownership, mind you) and you choose to drive something that actively puts you in danger. That choice is entirely on you as are all of the consequences because, let's face it: no one but a few psychopaths want to be responsible for someone's death. Your argument that drivers don't give a shit rings absolutely hollow. As for entitlement, if a horse buggy or low speed moped gets on the freeway and gets obliterated because they can't function like the cars that the roads were designed for, do you blame the cars or the person who decided to get on the freeway in an entirely inadequate vehicle? I'm all for motorcycles on the road and I'm all for designing safety systems (that don't make life worse for everyone else) into them and other cars on the road to reduce accidents and fatalities. You, a minuscule minority, however, do NOT get to noise pollute our environments far beyond what is reasonable in a dense urban/suburban society just for your own enjoyment. The vast majority of drivers have long ago voted with their wallets and ballot boxes that the quiet, safety, and size of cars is what we want.
    - brokenmachine 9y ago
      I agree somewhat, but it's not all driver's fault. As a car driver, I don't feel entitled to the whole road, but I also don't shed too many tears for the idiots who lane split and ride like maniacs - ironically, maniacs who appear to feel entitled to the whole road. I'm a cyclist most days, so I'm acutely aware of how oblivious and dangerous car drivers can be... so it seems crazy to me that most motorcyclists would choose to buzz between them unpredictably at high speed, instead of riding in a safer fashion.