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This is for once a great article about Tesla that is neither too critical, nor too rosy. They actually do some intelligent estimations instead of just going wit
by flexie 9y ago
This is for once a great article about Tesla that is neither too critical, nor too rosy. They actually do some intelligent estimations instead of just going with whatever anonymous "analysts" or "experts" in the financial markets say.
It's a real issue for Tesla if they don't figure out how to build 500,000 cars per year within the next 2-3 years because then they open up a flank for the traditional car manufacturers who probably need 3-4 years before they can market EVs that can compare in specs with model 3, most notably on range.
At around 200 miles/320 km, an EV has a range that makes it suitable as a second car for the masses (as opposed to the passionate enthusiasts that might buy in already at 100 miles or less). 200 miles is enough for driving around the city. Currently, the Tesla models, Chevrolet Bolt, Renault Zoe, the new Nissan Leafs, and Opel Ampera, have such ranges. This is the range segment that the traditional car manufacturers are likely to open their first real bids for competitive EVs in from this year and through the next 3-4 years. Tesla can live with that since the segment is insufficient for the masses. Average Joe will not buy an electric car with a 200 mile range. Ever.
At around 300 miles/480 km, an EV could be a real primary car if you live in regions with sufficient charging stations. Currently, only the larger Teslas and Model 3 are there. This is where Average Joe starts to buy. But the larger Teslas are too expensive for Average Joe. As for model 3, it can hardly be called a car for the masses until it is produced for the masses. And therein lies the problem. If Tesla doesn't nail this range segment for higher end of the medium priced cars produced at scale in the next 2-3 years, some of the traditional car manufacturers may catch up. Don't forget that even if Tesla reaches 350,000 cars in 2019, which is still a big if, they still leave most of the chips at the table. They will have to go way beyond 1M cars yearly to really close the upper medium price range for the traditional manufacturers. Even 500,000 cars would leave most of the market for a handful of it's competitors. And it would require one or two more Giga Factories to reach a million, which they haven't started to build yet. As for the lower priced cars, Tesla is not there yet, and the traditional car manufacturers may well get there before Tesla if they get to experiment for 4-5 years with the medium priced cars without loosing too much money. So Tesla really needs to hurry.
Around 400 miles/640 km, range is no longer an issue for almost any buyer. The few exceptions are buyers in rural areas or buyers that need to commute very far to and from work every day in cold weather or in mountain regions. A 100 mile commute to work in subzero temperatures, and/or in mountain regions would mean that you would have to be very sure that your car is fully charged every day, which would be too much of a hassle. But apart from such edge cases, most people could skip charging for a full working week and still use a car with 400 miles range for commutes. And on road trips, they could drive as far as is comfortable anyways, and if once every few years they needed to drive further than 400 miles, they would likely have passed several charging stations on the way. Currently, no cars are there, but Tesla will likely be first in this segment with the larger models S and X, quite possibly within 1-2 years. Those cars are not for the masses. It's not unreasonable to believe though, that model 3 will have such range in 3-4 years.
At 500 miles/800 km, the range issue is solved for 99 percent of potential buyers in the modern world. Tesla claims its new Roadster will have such range. It is still to be seen whether that is true, but anyways, that car is not for the masses. But maybe in 7-10 years, this will be standard in the smaller Teslas...
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- madengr 9y agoI believe a 100 mile range is enough for a city car or secondary car. I have an older Leaf and it’s fine for that. We’ll get a plug in hybrid soon to replace the primary car (minivan). Even at 300 mikes range, my wife would not drive an EV, due to range anxiety. She won’t even drive my Leaf (she calls it a golf cart). This range anxiety is all psychological, and it’s the main thing hindering EV adoption.
- hexane360 9y agoMany cars don't even get 300 miles, although it's true you can "recharge" them much quicker. One thing I'm not sure about: how long lasting are typical EV batteries? Because I can see not wanting to buy a car that will have half its range a few years down the road.
- greglindahl 9y agoThis article has an up-to-date chart with owner-reported data: https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1110149_tesla-model-s-battery-life-what-the-data-show-so-far https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1110149_tesla-model-s-b...
- woodandsteel 9y ago>Even 500,000 cars would leave most of the market for a handful of it's competitors. Better batteries and more competitors producing cars with different characteristics will vastly increase the market size. That means the incumbents could grab most of the market, but Tesla could still sell lots of cars and be profitable.
- codeulike 9y agoFirstly, I'm not sure you're right in your reckonings about what sort of consumers want what sort of range. And especially if you look at Europe or Japan where things are less spread out than the US. If Tesla doesn't nail this [300 mile] range segment for higher end of the medium priced cars produced at scale in the next 2-3 years, some of the traditional car manufacturers may catch up. I'm not sure about that. No one else is coming close to making batteries as cheap as Tesla's. The Chevrolet Bolt has 200 mile range but each one Chevvy sells is an $8000 loss because they have made it artificially cheap. Unless the other car manufacturers get started with their own huge battery factories, they are going to stay years behind. Also: the Renault Zoe and Nissan Leaf are rated at 150 miles (EPA), not 200 miles as you suggest. Teslas and the Chevrolet Bolt are the only 200+ mile cars by the EPA standard. Making an affordable 200+ mile EV is very difficult. That's why Tesla are building the biggest factory in the world.