> You may want to stop arguing about your fantasies and try talking about something that has basis in actual history. You may want to start taking your own adv

> You may want to stop arguing about your fantasies and try talking about something that has basis in actual history. You may want to start taking your own advice. Try here first: https://www.google.com/search?q=operation+barbarossa https://www.google.com/search?q=operation+barbarossa > It is very much uncertain if the numbers would be much different. No, it's extremely certain the numbers would be very different, since we know what the Nazis had planned for Eastern and Central Europe. So when you've finished with the above link, move on to this one: https://www.google.com/search?q=generalplan+ost https://www.google.com/search?q=generalplan+ost > arguments are only about by how much exactly Each author, by pulling a different number out of thin air, is saying the other author of the same book is wrong. Which would be laughable if some people didn't pretend take such nonsense seriously. I say "pretend" because I don't believe for one second anyone using those numbers sincerely believes them, any more than they sincerely care about any of the actual, genuine victims beyond using them to score political points. > Are you going to play the well-tired card of "but Stalin (Mao, etc. etc.) were not real, proper communists? No, I'm going to say, again, that if someone wasn't killed by Communism they should not be counted as being killed by Communism. What's interesting is that most of the victims of Stalin's purges were "proper Communists", a fact that right-wingers who cry crocodile tears over them always forget to mention for some reason. > Taking the last grain, including seed grain, from, peasants (e.g. Prodrazverstka [...] is exactly that -- forced famine. Prodrazverstka is not at all that: Bolsheviks borrowed the idea from the grain razvyorstka introduced in the Russian Empire during World War I, in 1916. [In 1918] the reserves of grain ran low, causing hunger among the urban population [...] In order to satisfy minimal food needs, the Soviet government introduced strict control over the food surpluses of the prosperous rural households. Lenin believed that prodrazvyorstka was the only possible way to procure sufficient amounts of grain and other agricultural products for the population of the cities during the civil war. Prodrazvyorstka allowed the Soviet government to solve the important problem of supplying the [...] urban population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prodrazvyorstka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prodrazvyorstka > No, should I? Then why accept any of the different numbers, that the authors themselves can't even agree are accurate, in the Black Book of Communism? > (sigh) If you're Jewish then just say so; don't imply it, whether it's true or not, to try and score points in an argument.