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Really curious about what the production bottlenecks are for the Model 3. Is it batteries? Would be thankful to anyone able to point me to further info on this

Really curious about what the production bottlenecks are for the Model 3. Is it batteries? Would be thankful to anyone able to point me to further info on this =)

Parcissons 9y ago
Im in industry automatization- and its usually that the production is a linear problem- in a tree of linear problems. Meaning any station in the production may show problems after the start. These come in 3 categorys- full stop (machine breaks/quality so bad production cant continue), solvable (machine can produce at reduced rate) - and hidden (quality problem shows down the line). Hidden are the meanest problems, because you have to traverse back up the tree to the producer of the problem- solve the problem, which may result in new problems - migrating back down the production line. Try to not see it as a binary problem of release- not release, but more of a very complex longterm graph traversing problem.
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- cagenut 9y ago
  By any chance to you have any good links or books on this kind of thing? So much of continuous deployment winds up sounding remarkably like things industrial automation already has language and studies for.
kuschku 9y ago
The bottleneck is automation. Tesla is still producing cars completely manually. This is why Musk bought the automation company Grohmann. But after he demanded they work 100h weeks (instead of their previous 35h weeks), and said unions would be unnecessary, almost the entire company quit and left. That's the current bottleneck, automation of assembly.
- gmueckl 9y ago
  Grohmann is a German company. Having employees work more than 40 or 50 hours a week on a regular basis is hard to defend legally. Employee protection is pretty strict about that. Heck, even working more than 10 hours straight is borderline illegal and puts the boss (not the employee) in very hot water. So I can hardly believe that 100h per week were actually demanded.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    Not just work, but unpaid overtime, as Musk demands from most employees. This story of the 80-100h demands was actually in German news at the time, plus of course the complaints of making Grohmann dependent on a single car company.
    - gmueckl 9y ago
      I missed that, but I am curious. Do you have references for that?
      - intended 9y ago
        Found these - https://www.businessinsider.in/Tesla-is-having-some-predictable-union-problems/articleshow/58302515.cms https://www.businessinsider.in/Tesla-is-having-some-predicta... and then this https://qz.com/1107802/tesla-raises-wages-30-in-germany-soon-after-firing-its-us-workers/ https://qz.com/1107802/tesla-raises-wages-30-in-germany-soon...
        jsjohnst 9y ago
        None of those even vaguely hint at 100hr work weeks or anything even remotely like that.
  - s2g 9y ago
    They also won't stand for unpaid overtime or union crushing. Musk's cult doesn't work as well when workers are used to real protections.

Really curious about what the production bottlenecks are for the Model 3. Is it batteries? Would be thankful to anyone able to point me to further info on this =)

Parcissons 9y ago

Im in industry automatization- and its usually that the production is a linear problem- in a tree of linear problems. Meaning any station in the production may show problems after the start. These come in 3 categorys- full stop (machine breaks/quality so bad production cant continue), solvable (machine can produce at reduced rate) - and hidden (quality problem shows down the line). Hidden are the meanest problems, because you have to traverse back up the tree to the producer of the problem- solve the problem, which may result in new problems - migrating back down the production line. Try to not see it as a binary problem of release- not release, but more of a very complex longterm graph traversing problem.

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cagenut 9y ago
By any chance to you have any good links or books on this kind of thing? So much of continuous deployment winds up sounding remarkably like things industrial automation already has language and studies for.

kuschku 9y ago

The bottleneck is automation. Tesla is still producing cars completely manually. This is why Musk bought the automation company Grohmann. But after he demanded they work 100h weeks (instead of their previous 35h weeks), and said unions would be unnecessary, almost the entire company quit and left. That's the current bottleneck, automation of assembly.

gmueckl 9y ago
Grohmann is a German company. Having employees work more than 40 or 50 hours a week on a regular basis is hard to defend legally. Employee protection is pretty strict about that. Heck, even working more than 10 hours straight is borderline illegal and puts the boss (not the employee) in very hot water. So I can hardly believe that 100h per week were actually demanded.
- kuschku 9y ago
  Not just work, but unpaid overtime, as Musk demands from most employees. This story of the 80-100h demands was actually in German news at the time, plus of course the complaints of making Grohmann dependent on a single car company.
  - gmueckl 9y ago
    I missed that, but I am curious. Do you have references for that?
    - intended 9y ago
      Found these - https://www.businessinsider.in/Tesla-is-having-some-predictable-union-problems/articleshow/58302515.cms https://www.businessinsider.in/Tesla-is-having-some-predicta... and then this https://qz.com/1107802/tesla-raises-wages-30-in-germany-soon-after-firing-its-us-workers/ https://qz.com/1107802/tesla-raises-wages-30-in-germany-soon...
      - jsjohnst 9y ago
        None of those even vaguely hint at 100hr work weeks or anything even remotely like that.
- s2g 9y ago
  They also won't stand for unpaid overtime or union crushing. Musk's cult doesn't work as well when workers are used to real protections.