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Debian has a total different philosphy on stableness.

by sigi45 9y ago

kev009 9y ago
I don't find that to be true. Both go to extended lengths (but not herculean lengths like RHEL) to provide ABI and API stability over a defined set of time. The primary difference is that Ubuntu LTS releases happen on fairly hard calendar boundaries with a well defined two year schedule. The Ubuntu 6 month releases seem like an antiquated idea to me, a stabilized rolling release like Debian -testing would be a better fit for the Linux desktoper. So LTS to LTS they are quite similar https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-life... and modern Debian stable releases have been taped out smoothly on a roughly 2 year schedule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_version_history.
- qznc 9y ago
  Debian stability: do not update except backported security fixes Ubuntu stability: update applications like Firefox because newer versions run more stable
  - kev009 9y ago
    Huh, I haven't run an Ubuntu desktop in several years but I don't remember that being the case (i.e both locked the software down pretty tight). I found Debian Backports to be helpful for the few things an admin might want to go out of phase on for servers. Though to reiterate, I think the desktop class of user would be better served by a stabilized rolling release like -testing in this decade where things generally work better and LTS works against you.
    - qznc 9y ago
      LTS is a nice defense against desktop environments moving buttons around.
- krylon 9y ago
  > a stabilized rolling release like Debian -testing would be a better fit for the Linux desktoper I have been running openSuse Tumbleweed on my desktop and a laptop for the past year. It is not perfect, but it comes close to being what you describe. The main problem is that the multimedia experience is not that fun without at least one additional repository, and that I need to re-install the nvidia driver upon every new kernel version. Other than that, I have been quite happy with it.

Debian has a total different philosphy on stableness.

by sigi45 9y ago

Debian has a total different philosphy on stableness.

I don't find that to be true. Both go to extended lengths (but not herculean lengths like RHEL) to provide ABI and API stability over a defined set of time. The primary difference is that Ubuntu LTS releases happen on fairly hard calendar boundaries with a well defined two year schedule. The Ubuntu 6 month releases seem like an antiquated idea to me, a stabilized rolling release like Debian -testing would be a better fit for the Linux desktoper. So LTS to LTS they are quite similar https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-life... and modern Debian stable releases have been taped out smoothly on a roughly 2 year schedule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_version_history.

qznc 9y ago
Debian stability: do not update except backported security fixes Ubuntu stability: update applications like Firefox because newer versions run more stable
- kev009 9y ago
  Huh, I haven't run an Ubuntu desktop in several years but I don't remember that being the case (i.e both locked the software down pretty tight). I found Debian Backports to be helpful for the few things an admin might want to go out of phase on for servers. Though to reiterate, I think the desktop class of user would be better served by a stabilized rolling release like -testing in this decade where things generally work better and LTS works against you.
  - qznc 9y ago
    LTS is a nice defense against desktop environments moving buttons around.
krylon 9y ago
> a stabilized rolling release like Debian -testing would be a better fit for the Linux desktoper I have been running openSuse Tumbleweed on my desktop and a laptop for the past year. It is not perfect, but it comes close to being what you describe. The main problem is that the multimedia experience is not that fun without at least one additional repository, and that I need to re-install the nvidia driver upon every new kernel version. Other than that, I have been quite happy with it.