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Can't help but think of the movie "Sour Grapes" that shows "wine connoisseurs" completely fooled by some fraudulent mixes: https://decider.com/2016/12/06/sour-

by blang 9y ago

Can't help but think of the movie "Sour Grapes" that shows "wine connoisseurs" completely fooled by some fraudulent mixes: https://decider.com/2016/12/06/sour-grapes-on-netflix-wine-scandal/ https://decider.com/2016/12/06/sour-grapes-on-netflix-wine-s...

lazerpants 9y ago
Your dismissive tone is probably a little off base on this. By most accounts the swindler in question was exceptionally good at identifying subtleties in wines and did a good job of producing fake wines that were both palate pleasing and mimicked elements of the wine being counterfeited. Add to that the fact that most people don't buy a mid 20th century Bordeaux and just go home and slurp it, most of it sits for a long time before opening. Sadly, they destroyed his counterfeits. I think they could've actually sold them (all his wine was sold off to compensate those he defrauded), I certainly would've been interested in a hosted tasting comparing some real rare wines to his counterfeits. https://www.winemag.com/2017/08/14/how-rudy-kurniawan-fooled-the-wine-world/ https://www.winemag.com/2017/08/14/how-rudy-kurniawan-fooled...
- nosuchthing 9y ago
  did a good job of producing fake wines that were both palate pleasing and mimicked elements of the wine being counterfeited. The "Sour Grapes" documentary was a case study in vintage wine being more psychologically concerned with labels rather than actual delicate details in taste and nuance, as cheap wine was sufficient in quality to please nearly every one of the clients. Even many of the experts and brokers were satisfied with the cheap mixtures.
  - lazerpants 9y ago
    Some of his blending wines predated WWI. I doubt his mixture was cheap except in contrast to the $5,000+ per bottle prices he was selling them for. Again, it's sad they destroyed his counterfeits, a blind tasting between them and the real thing would've been great fun.
- narag 9y ago
  By most accounts the swindler in question was exceptionally good at identifying subtleties in wines and did a good job of producing fake wines that were both palate pleasing and mimicked elements of the wine being counterfeited. If that can be done cheaply and fools experts, I would buy it.
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by blang 9y ago

lazerpants 9y ago

Your dismissive tone is probably a little off base on this. By most accounts the swindler in question was exceptionally good at identifying subtleties in wines and did a good job of producing fake wines that were both palate pleasing and mimicked elements of the wine being counterfeited. Add to that the fact that most people don't buy a mid 20th century Bordeaux and just go home and slurp it, most of it sits for a long time before opening. Sadly, they destroyed his counterfeits. I think they could've actually sold them (all his wine was sold off to compensate those he defrauded), I certainly would've been interested in a hosted tasting comparing some real rare wines to his counterfeits. https://www.winemag.com/2017/08/14/how-rudy-kurniawan-fooled-the-wine-world/ https://www.winemag.com/2017/08/14/how-rudy-kurniawan-fooled...

nosuchthing 9y ago
did a good job of producing fake wines that were both palate pleasing and mimicked elements of the wine being counterfeited. The "Sour Grapes" documentary was a case study in vintage wine being more psychologically concerned with labels rather than actual delicate details in taste and nuance, as cheap wine was sufficient in quality to please nearly every one of the clients. Even many of the experts and brokers were satisfied with the cheap mixtures.
- lazerpants 9y ago
  Some of his blending wines predated WWI. I doubt his mixture was cheap except in contrast to the $5,000+ per bottle prices he was selling them for. Again, it's sad they destroyed his counterfeits, a blind tasting between them and the real thing would've been great fun.
narag 9y ago
By most accounts the swindler in question was exceptionally good at identifying subtleties in wines and did a good job of producing fake wines that were both palate pleasing and mimicked elements of the wine being counterfeited. If that can be done cheaply and fools experts, I would buy it.
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