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In addition to rat park[0], there's also been an amazing study wrt to Viet Nam vets[1]. Only 5% of soldiers relapsed to heroin use in the first year of returnin

In addition to rat park[0], there's also been an amazing study wrt to Viet Nam vets[1]. Only 5% of soldiers relapsed to heroin use in the first year of returning home. Compared to a traditional 90% relapse rate when addicts treated in the US return to their homes. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/01/05/371894919/what-heroin-addiction-tells-us-about-changing-bad-habits https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/01/05/3718949...

lamename 9y ago
This is one reason why 1) some rehab is more effective than others 2) people aren't always encouraged to go back to their home environment after rehab
noahdesu 9y ago
Ahh yes, this story of Vietnam is also in the book. Thanks for mentioning it. It was also a really powerful anecdote.
andrewjl 9y ago
I find the rat park experiment intriguing, but have there been any further studies or attempts to replicate the results?
- emiliobumachar 9y ago
  From http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/10/25/against-rat-park/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/10/25/against-rat-park/, slightly paraphrased to disambiguate the references. I do highly recommend this blog post if you're interested in the topic. "Two studies (1, 2) tried and failed to replicate the results. Another two (3, 4) tried and mostly succeeded. There’s some concern that the rat strain involved might have various substrains that the different experiments didn’t control for. But a result that can’t survive a change in rat substrains has pretty dismal prospects for applicability to humans." [1] http://sci-hub.io/10.2466/pr0.1996.78.2.391 http://sci-hub.io/10.2466/pr0.1996.78.2.391 [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2616610 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2616610 [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3696469 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3696469 [4] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18463628 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18463628
  - andrewjl 9y ago
    Exactly what I was looking for, thanks!
Qub3d 9y ago
Fair warning, this video is pop science and therefore prone to many of its pitfalls, but when viewed in context I find Kurzgesagt[0] did an nice summary of this addiction theory. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao8L-0nSYzg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao8L-0nSYzg
lostlogin 9y ago
Would be intersting to see relapse rates for those doing another tour.

lamename 9y ago

This is one reason why 1) some rehab is more effective than others 2) people aren't always encouraged to go back to their home environment after rehab

noahdesu 9y ago

Ahh yes, this story of Vietnam is also in the book. Thanks for mentioning it. It was also a really powerful anecdote.

andrewjl 9y ago

I find the rat park experiment intriguing, but have there been any further studies or attempts to replicate the results?

emiliobumachar 9y ago
From http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/10/25/against-rat-park/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/10/25/against-rat-park/, slightly paraphrased to disambiguate the references. I do highly recommend this blog post if you're interested in the topic. "Two studies (1, 2) tried and failed to replicate the results. Another two (3, 4) tried and mostly succeeded. There’s some concern that the rat strain involved might have various substrains that the different experiments didn’t control for. But a result that can’t survive a change in rat substrains has pretty dismal prospects for applicability to humans." [1] http://sci-hub.io/10.2466/pr0.1996.78.2.391 http://sci-hub.io/10.2466/pr0.1996.78.2.391 [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2616610 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2616610 [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3696469 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3696469 [4] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18463628 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18463628
- andrewjl 9y ago
  Exactly what I was looking for, thanks!

Qub3d 9y ago

Fair warning, this video is pop science and therefore prone to many of its pitfalls, but when viewed in context I find Kurzgesagt[0] did an nice summary of this addiction theory. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao8L-0nSYzg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao8L-0nSYzg

lostlogin 9y ago

Would be intersting to see relapse rates for those doing another tour.