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> * bring my password manager with me on my phone (and risk my passwords being pwned because phones are Not Secure)? As someone who uses this solution to your

> * bring my password manager with me on my phone (and risk my passwords being pwned because phones are Not Secure)? As someone who uses this solution to your above-stated problem, I disagree with the assertion that phones are "Not Secure." Care to back that up?

inetknght 9y ago
Physical device small enough to be quickly stolen: Not Secure. (this is self-evident: physical access to device is Game Over) Low battery requires plugging in a cable to charge; the cable may be a surreptitiously-installed data cable. I do not trust the hardware or software stack that handles the data cable to be secure. SMS: Not Secure. http://www.cybersecuritytrend.com/topics/cyber-security/articles/424266-nist-has-it-right-sms-not-secure.htm http://www.cybersecuritytrend.com/topics/cyber-security/arti... Wifi: Not Secure. https://www.bestvpn.com/privacy-news/wpa2-wifi-not-secure/ https://www.bestvpn.com/privacy-news/wpa2-wifi-not-secure/ Many apps "require" silly amounts of permissions to the phone before they'll install. Apps' ability to read what's on screen, to be notified of clipboard changes, to listen to sounds; all when not even in the foreground. On my computer, I can easily check what apps and background services are running. Not so easily on a phone.
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- 0xfeba 9y ago
  > On my computer, I can easily check what apps and background services are running. Did you audit the Intel AME, HD firmware, chipset, audio drivers, usb drivers, and everything else on your PC?
- matthewmacleod 9y ago
  (this is self-evident: physical access to device is Game Over) This is just totally not true. I'd wager a fair sum that passwords stored on an iPhone, behind a decent layer of security, are entirely better protected from physical access than on any general-purpose computer.
  - inetknght 9y ago
    Passwords stored on a general purpose computer, behind a decent layer of security, are entirely better protected from physical access than on any phone I've ever used.
    - lox 9y ago
      Yeah, the FBI totally breezed through the whole iPhone unlock thing. /sarcasm
yAnonymous 9y ago
Where do I even start? I think it would be easier for you to tell me why you think phones are secure and then I tell you why you're wrong.

inetknght 9y ago

Physical device small enough to be quickly stolen: Not Secure. (this is self-evident: physical access to device is Game Over) Low battery requires plugging in a cable to charge; the cable may be a surreptitiously-installed data cable. I do not trust the hardware or software stack that handles the data cable to be secure. SMS: Not Secure. http://www.cybersecuritytrend.com/topics/cyber-security/articles/424266-nist-has-it-right-sms-not-secure.htm http://www.cybersecuritytrend.com/topics/cyber-security/arti... Wifi: Not Secure. https://www.bestvpn.com/privacy-news/wpa2-wifi-not-secure/ https://www.bestvpn.com/privacy-news/wpa2-wifi-not-secure/ Many apps "require" silly amounts of permissions to the phone before they'll install. Apps' ability to read what's on screen, to be notified of clipboard changes, to listen to sounds; all when not even in the foreground. On my computer, I can easily check what apps and background services are running. Not so easily on a phone.

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0xfeba 9y ago
> On my computer, I can easily check what apps and background services are running. Did you audit the Intel AME, HD firmware, chipset, audio drivers, usb drivers, and everything else on your PC?
matthewmacleod 9y ago
(this is self-evident: physical access to device is Game Over) This is just totally not true. I'd wager a fair sum that passwords stored on an iPhone, behind a decent layer of security, are entirely better protected from physical access than on any general-purpose computer.
- inetknght 9y ago
  Passwords stored on a general purpose computer, behind a decent layer of security, are entirely better protected from physical access than on any phone I've ever used.
  - lox 9y ago
    Yeah, the FBI totally breezed through the whole iPhone unlock thing. /sarcasm

yAnonymous 9y ago

Where do I even start? I think it would be easier for you to tell me why you think phones are secure and then I tell you why you're wrong.