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But that's not how vote counting works. Typically there's a member of each party represented in teh election present for the counting, and often they're open t
by mixmax 9y ago
But that's not how vote counting works.
Typically there's a member of each party represented in teh election present for the counting, and often they're open to observers from the outside.
This means that you'd have to collude with your political enemies to steal their votes....
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- wu-ikkyu 9y agoCollusion between supposed political enemies has happened frequently throughout history
- Feniks 9y agoThere are currently 20 political parties in parliament representing vast ideological differences. They couldn't even agree on what pizza to order if their life depended on it lol.
- John_KZ 9y agoAt this point you obviously know you're mistaken. Why keep pushing it?
- wu-ikkyu 9y agoWhat am I mistaken about?
- John_KZ 9y agoYou don't even know how votes are counted yet you're trying to argue about the subject. Guess what, you can't DDoS polling stations with your "agents" and competing parties do not collude. Collude to do what? Lose the election? This isn't a joke.
- wu-ikkyu 9y ago>competing parties do not collude That is literally the definition of collusion. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collusion#Examples https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collusion#Examples https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/world-politics/article/logic-of-party-collusion-in-a-democracy-evidence-from-mali/9C48563CA5F073B772E07763E35B01D2 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/world-politics/artic...
- sigstoat 9y agothe observers at polling places are not highly ranked party members making deals in smoky rooms. they're almost certainly residents of the tiny area being polled, or the polity conducting the count. certainly shady deals between a couple of folks at the tops of parties is a possibility, but collusion between the thousands or tens of thousands of local volunteers of both parties?
- acct1771 9y agoNever forget the Manhattan project. Mass collusion being difficult isn't necessarily a 100% certainty that it's not occurring. It'd take quite a bit of money, though, this.
- michaelt 9y agoIn my country, there are 50,000 polling stations [1] and the ruling party has 100,000 members [2]. The polling stations are open 7am-10pm, so 15 hours, before being driven to a central location for counting. Thus, many polling stations don't have observers from the party at all - let alone the 2-4 observers needed to keep a constant watch from the first vote to the count. [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32229745 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32229745 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)#Membership https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)#Member...
- pjc50 9y agoPolling stations aren't where the count happens, the ballot boxes are pooled at one site per constituency and counted there. This is particularly noticeable at the spread-out constituencies like Na h-Eileanan an Iar, where the count has to wait for ballot boxes to arrive by boat or, if the budget is available, helicopter.
- wu-ikkyu 9y agoSo then how can we be sure the ballot boxes weren't switched or stuffed inbetween the polling station and the count site?
- pjc50 9y agoSecurity seals. https://www.mfsecurityseals.uk/securing-general-election/ https://www.mfsecurityseals.uk/securing-general-election/ The ballot papers themselves are traceable, so if you're going to stuff the box you need to add the relevant number of ballots to the record and fake their issue to particular voters. They're also in the custody of ballot officials; in the UK this is one area where I genuinely trust the ability of those people making up the system to operate genuinely according to the rules. We've even managed to hold fair elections in occupied Belfast. Switching to e-voting would turn the whole thing over to known insecure consumer PCs and known suspect contractors like Diebold and Capita, all of whom I trust about as far as I can throw them; I trust the small army of ordinary people who make the paper count happen far more. Maybe next election I'll volunteer as an observer.