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I could not find a definitive answer on Twitter, but does that mean Eve players will become one of the biggest XMPP users group? I wonder if Eve enables federat

by f055 9y ago

I could not find a definitive answer on Twitter, but does that mean Eve players will become one of the biggest XMPP users group? I wonder if Eve enables federation and chatting with outsiders using regular XMPP clients.

Mashimo 9y ago
> I wonder if Eve enables federation and chatting with outsiders using regular XMPP clients. It's not planned. To be precise in the beginning nothing will change for the players. They might be able to send messages which are four times as large. As far as i know a modern more modular design was the main reason. And thus offload some of the CPU utilisation to not-game server. More comments from the Dev here [0] and partly [1] here. [0] https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-new-chat-backend-coming-with-the-march-release/58715/ https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-new-chat-backend-com... [1] https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/ https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-fu... (Filter by clickning on the blue [DEV] avatar near "Frequent Posters" and select 'x post in this thread' to only see posts from that developer.
- mickael 9y ago
  Yes, that makes sense. I guess they can focus on developing the core game that way.
kbwt 9y ago
League of Legends chat is also XMPP.
- chmod775 9y ago
  Fortnite as well
  - mickael 9y ago
    yes indeed :) https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/news/postmortem-of-service-outage-at-3-4m-ccu https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/news/postmortem-of-... They mention 3.4 million concurrent users online. From what they say on clustering, it looks that this is also ejabberd.
throwawayReply 9y ago
I doubt it, EVE typically has ~10-20k concurrents players, that's actually relatively small to other xmpp-based services.
- nivertech 9y ago
  10-20k concurrent users is nothing. I maintained ejabberd with 500K concurrent and built customj Erlang systems handling million of concurrent users per node.
  - mickael 9y ago
    Yes, exactly: https://medium.com/processone/ejabberd-massive-scalability-1-node-2-million-concurrent-users-e5b159e6b209 https://medium.com/processone/ejabberd-massive-scalability-1... And this is on a single node. ejabberd can scale to a huge number of concurrent users.
upofadown 9y ago
Depends on what you class as a group. It is unlikely that their unfederated server will come close to the number of users on even the 114 public federated servers, much less all the federated private servers. I noticed something interesting while looking; it appears that at least one public XMPP server has experienced a recent large influx of new users. >"The number of daily active users has increased more then three-fold in the last year alone." [1] [1] https://jabber.at/b/temporary-suspension-of-registration/ https://jabber.at/b/temporary-suspension-of-registration/
- mickael 9y ago
  On the increasing number of accounts, it could as well be due to a rise in spam that we have seen on XMPP.
  - upofadown 9y ago
    That's interesting. How do you do spam on XMPP?
    - ge0rg 9y ago
      You register with public jabber servers and send thousands of messages to crawled and constructed destination addresses: https://yaxim.org/blog/2017/12/22/spam-reduction-on-yax-dot-im/ https://yaxim.org/blog/2017/12/22/spam-reduction-on-yax-dot-... https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/xsender-the-source-of-all-the-recent-xmpp-spam/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/xsender-the-s... https://github.com/ge0rg/jabber-spam-fighting-manifesto https://github.com/ge0rg/jabber-spam-fighting-manifesto
      - upofadown 9y ago
        OK, thanks. I hadn't thought such a thing would be worth the bother, but I guess spam will find a way. I guess the eventual problem here is that everyone affected will turn off reception of messages from strangers. That would make XMPP somewhat less useful as a general method of getting in touch with someone.
rsynnott 9y ago
That would probably be iOS users: https://www.quora.com/What-technology-does-the-iOS-Apple-Push-Notification-Service-APNS-use-to-maintain-a-persistent-connection-with-each-device-to-receive-such-fast-push-notifications https://www.quora.com/What-technology-does-the-iOS-Apple-Pus... EDIT: Or maybe Android users; looks like GCM is also XMPP behind the scenes.

by f055 9y ago

Mashimo 9y ago

> I wonder if Eve enables federation and chatting with outsiders using regular XMPP clients. It's not planned. To be precise in the beginning nothing will change for the players. They might be able to send messages which are four times as large. As far as i know a modern more modular design was the main reason. And thus offload some of the CPU utilisation to not-game server. More comments from the Dev here [0] and partly [1] here. [0] https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-new-chat-backend-coming-with-the-march-release/58715/ https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-new-chat-backend-com... [1] https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/ https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-fu... (Filter by clickning on the blue [DEV] avatar near "Frequent Posters" and select 'x post in this thread' to only see posts from that developer.

mickael 9y ago
Yes, that makes sense. I guess they can focus on developing the core game that way.

kbwt 9y ago

League of Legends chat is also XMPP.

chmod775 9y ago
Fortnite as well
- mickael 9y ago
  yes indeed :) https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/news/postmortem-of-service-outage-at-3-4m-ccu https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/news/postmortem-of-... They mention 3.4 million concurrent users online. From what they say on clustering, it looks that this is also ejabberd.

throwawayReply 9y ago

I doubt it, EVE typically has ~10-20k concurrents players, that's actually relatively small to other xmpp-based services.

nivertech 9y ago
10-20k concurrent users is nothing. I maintained ejabberd with 500K concurrent and built customj Erlang systems handling million of concurrent users per node.
- mickael 9y ago
  Yes, exactly: https://medium.com/processone/ejabberd-massive-scalability-1-node-2-million-concurrent-users-e5b159e6b209 https://medium.com/processone/ejabberd-massive-scalability-1... And this is on a single node. ejabberd can scale to a huge number of concurrent users.

upofadown 9y ago

Depends on what you class as a group. It is unlikely that their unfederated server will come close to the number of users on even the 114 public federated servers, much less all the federated private servers. I noticed something interesting while looking; it appears that at least one public XMPP server has experienced a recent large influx of new users. >"The number of daily active users has increased more then three-fold in the last year alone." [1] [1] https://jabber.at/b/temporary-suspension-of-registration/ https://jabber.at/b/temporary-suspension-of-registration/

mickael 9y ago
On the increasing number of accounts, it could as well be due to a rise in spam that we have seen on XMPP.
- upofadown 9y ago
  That's interesting. How do you do spam on XMPP?
  - ge0rg 9y ago
    You register with public jabber servers and send thousands of messages to crawled and constructed destination addresses: https://yaxim.org/blog/2017/12/22/spam-reduction-on-yax-dot-im/ https://yaxim.org/blog/2017/12/22/spam-reduction-on-yax-dot-... https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/xsender-the-source-of-all-the-recent-xmpp-spam/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/xsender-the-s... https://github.com/ge0rg/jabber-spam-fighting-manifesto https://github.com/ge0rg/jabber-spam-fighting-manifesto
    - upofadown 9y ago
      OK, thanks. I hadn't thought such a thing would be worth the bother, but I guess spam will find a way. I guess the eventual problem here is that everyone affected will turn off reception of messages from strangers. That would make XMPP somewhat less useful as a general method of getting in touch with someone.

rsynnott 9y ago

That would probably be iOS users: https://www.quora.com/What-technology-does-the-iOS-Apple-Push-Notification-Service-APNS-use-to-maintain-a-persistent-connection-with-each-device-to-receive-such-fast-push-notifications https://www.quora.com/What-technology-does-the-iOS-Apple-Pus... EDIT: Or maybe Android users; looks like GCM is also XMPP behind the scenes.