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> And you replied with "they deserved it". The only person who has said "deserved it" in this discussion is you, so I don't know why you're pretending to be qu

> And you replied with "they deserved it". The only person who has said "deserved it" in this discussion is you, so I don't know why you're pretending to be quoting me. I said they - people who fought on the side of the Nazis, particularly against their own country, in order to enable Nazi genocide programs - don't count as victims of Communism. > There was no Soviet Union in 1919. I didn't say there was a Soviet Union in 1919. There was Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic in 1919, which as a "Soviet citizen" I assumed you would be aware of. > It would logically follow, though, that there are some Russian citizens who were alive in 1919 among my ancestors. How would that logically follow? You haven't said that you're Russian, despite me asking where you're from multiple times. > I didn't know thjat not answering a question that was never asked is being cagey. I literally just asked you - again - what part of the USSR you are from and again you didn't answer. > Also, yes, having first-hand experience does win some arguments with ignorant kids easily. To have even first hand memories, let alone experience, of even the most recent subjects you've talked about you'd have to be about 75 years old. Are you? > It is you who reduces everything to treatment of Jews. Nice to know that you think the topic of the treatment of Jews constitutes reducing an argument, even in a reply where you were criticizing the anti-Semitism of Stalin (the same Stalin who set up a Jewish homeland on Soviet soil, and was the first person in the world to recognize Israel). Ah wait, I forgot, you're arguing the Nazis were better than Communists, aren't you. And the only way to do that is attribute all deaths on Communist soil to malice on the part of Communism (then add whatever it takes to reach "100 million") while ignoring deliberate, systematic and industrial-scale human extermination programs and policies - absolutely unheard of anywhere else in history, before or since - enacted by the Nazis. > Not everything in life is about you. No, the question was about you. Specifically how your life would have been improved had you lived under Nazi occupation, since you argue that what you lived under - Communism - is "quite a bit worse" (your words) than Nazism. > Actually, Holocaust deniers go on and on that nothing happened, and if something happened it was very minor As I said, like spending their time arguing that what the Nazis did was very minor - "they killed far fewer people" - compared to something else. Again, what kind of person would even think of bothering to exonerate or rehabilitate the Nazis in such a way? > Like how even the low-end estimate from those critics of The Black Book that you mention put the number of victims of communism at ~3 times that of nazis. Hah, "those critics"? You mean the actual authors of the book. Let's repeat how absolutely inane and insane this is: The authors of the book could not even decide amongst themselves on which imaginary - but definitely Worse Than The Nazis(tm) - number was historically factual, to the point where they themselves denounced their own book as fictitious. Meanwhile MAGA-heads, up to and including the White House itself, cite the number that even the authors - even you - think is going too far (not because it's made up, but because it looks made up). So which number, from the several provided by this fine example of historical research, do you think is true? Since only one number can be true, we know for a certain fact that most of the numbers given have to be false. So why believe any of them? > As nicely as it wuild've fed your persecution complex, no, they would not take me, if you knowq what I mean. I don't. What, specifically, do you mean?

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>>Anti-Semitic Ukrainian mass murderers don't count, no. Nor do Ukrainians, Russians, Kazakhs or any other useful idiots (that the Nazis considered untermenschen) who signed up to help Germany carry out the Final Solution and Generalplan Ost (until it was their turn). You wrote this, not me. Collective responsibility went out of fashion long time ago. >I said they - people who fought on the side of the Nazis, particularly against their own country, in order to enable Nazi genocide programs - don't count as victims of Communism. How many people helped by ARA fought for nazis? > I literally just asked you - again - what part of the USSR you are from and again you didn't answer. Moscow. Do you need a street address as well? > To have even first hand memories, let alone experience, of even the most recent subjects you've talked about you'd have to be about 75 years old. Are you? You do not need to be anywhere near that old to have experience with, for example, Soviet antisemitism. > Nice to know that you think the topic of the treatment of Jews constitutes reducing an argument, even in a reply where you were criticizing the anti-Semitism of Stalin (the same Stalin who set up a Jewish homeland on Soviet soil, and was the first person in the world to recognize Israel). Yeah. I heard there were even a few Jews who went there without being forcibly put into railcars. > hile ignoring deliberate, systematic and industrial-scale human extermination programs and policies - absolutely unheard of anywhere else in history, before or since - enacted by the Nazis. Actually, well-heard of, if you care to listen, in every country where communists came to power. You may want to look up one Asian politician with potential. He was really good at making sure his citizens would never engage in any atrocities you would not6 approve of. > No, the question was about you. Specifically how your life would have been improved had you lived under Nazi occupation, since you argue that what you lived under - Communism - is "quite a bit worse" (your words) than Nazism. Yes, I noticed, you seem to think that as long as you and yours are fine, it does not matter if millions of other people are killed. > As I said, like spending their time arguing that what the Nazis did was very minor - "they killed far fewer people" - compared to something else. Are you saying that those who had killed more people are perfectly fine, as long as they were killing people you do not particularly approve of? > Again, what kind of person would even think of bothering to exonerate or rehabilitate the Nazis in such a way? Does not seem to stop you from exonerating communists, who did kill more people. > The authors of the book could not even decide amongst themselves on which imaginary - but definitely Worse Than The Nazis(tm) - number Yes, I did notice, you do not consider those killed to be people (hmm, what does it remind one of?), certainly not worth counting. > Meanwhile MAGA-heads, up to and including the White House itself, cite the number that even the authors - even you - think is going too far (not because it's made up, but because it looks made up). What does it have to do with anything? > Since only one number can be true, we know for a certain fact that most of the numbers given have to be false. So why believe any of them? Yeah, I have heard there are quite a few people who do not think that many Jews were killed by nazis. And there are different numbers, too. Are you sure this is the direction you want to go in? > I don't. What, specifically, do you mean? Who, do you think, those people really do not like to associate with?

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>>Anti-Semitic Ukrainian mass murderers don't count, no. Nor do Ukrainians, Russians, Kazakhs or any other useful idiots (that the Nazis considered untermenschen) who signed up to help Germany carry out the Final Solution and Generalplan Ost (until it was their turn). You wrote this, not me. Collective responsibility went out of fashion long time ago. >I said they - people who fought on the side of the Nazis, particularly against their own country, in order to enable Nazi genocide programs - don't count as victims of Communism. How many people helped by ARA fought for nazis? > I literally just asked you - again - what part of the USSR you are from and again you didn't answer. Moscow. Do you need a street address as well? > To have even first hand memories, let alone experience, of even the most recent subjects you've talked about you'd have to be about 75 years old. Are you? You do not need to be anywhere near that old to have experience with, for example, Soviet antisemitism. > Nice to know that you think the topic of the treatment of Jews constitutes reducing an argument, even in a reply where you were criticizing the anti-Semitism of Stalin (the same Stalin who set up a Jewish homeland on Soviet soil, and was the first person in the world to recognize Israel). Yeah. I heard there were even a few Jews who went there without being forcibly put into railcars. > hile ignoring deliberate, systematic and industrial-scale human extermination programs and policies - absolutely unheard of anywhere else in history, before or since - enacted by the Nazis. Actually, well-heard of, if you care to listen, in every country where communists came to power. You may want to look up one Asian politician with potential. He was really good at making sure his citizens would never engage in any atrocities you would not6 approve of. > No, the question was about you. Specifically how your life would have been improved had you lived under Nazi occupation, since you argue that what you lived under - Communism - is "quite a bit worse" (your words) than Nazism. Yes, I noticed, you seem to think that as long as you and yours are fine, it does not matter if millions of other people are killed. > As I said, like spending their time arguing that what the Nazis did was very minor - "they killed far fewer people" - compared to something else. Are you saying that those who had killed more people are perfectly fine, as long as they were killing people you do not particularly approve of? > Again, what kind of person would even think of bothering to exonerate or rehabilitate the Nazis in such a way? Does not seem to stop you from exonerating communists, who did kill more people. > The authors of the book could not even decide amongst themselves on which imaginary - but definitely Worse Than The Nazis(tm) - number Yes, I did notice, you do not consider those killed to be people (hmm, what does it remind one of?), certainly not worth counting. > Meanwhile MAGA-heads, up to and including the White House itself, cite the number that even the authors - even you - think is going too far (not because it's made up, but because it looks made up). What does it have to do with anything? > Since only one number can be true, we know for a certain fact that most of the numbers given have to be false. So why believe any of them? Yeah, I have heard there are quite a few people who do not think that many Jews were killed by nazis. And there are different numbers, too. Are you sure this is the direction you want to go in? > I don't. What, specifically, do you mean? Who, do you think, those people really do not like to associate with?